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And it's not like it was all utopian paradise before capitalism was invented.

We can also be the solution.

There are more options than just capitalism (and especially the weird kind of klepto-capitalism that we're falling into globally now).

Humans also invented slavery, torture devices, nuclear weapons, and totalitarian regimes but we don't argue these things are "natural" or inevitable.

Just because humans created capitalism doesn't mean it's an expression of some essential or universal human trait.

Such a western view: a capitalist society. We have the choice to participate in that or in a different system. Most just don’t want to give up the “I have” for “what can be”.

Nah, other animals have performed transactions since before humans existed. The fact that we do it in marble halls and fancy suits doesn't make us the originators.

Yeah, it is not Capitalism alone, but a Promethean Worldview. Authoritarian communist countries hat that one embedded as well.

This is why we need not only a change of economic system, but a shift in perception of nature as well.

i decided that my comment was too spicy, even with disclaimers.

I'm far, far more concerned with the regular fascism going on then someone crashing out about why people wont just stop being terrible to each other.

Fascists typically believe in strongman leadership, but you don't have to swear allegiance to a specific strongman to be a fascist.

Eco-fascists, in particular, want a Pol Pot-style dictator, someone who will ignore laws, human rights, and common decency, in order to drastically reduce the human population and force the survivors into low-tech subsistence farming. Last I checked, no one like that is anywhere near power anywhere in the world, but that doesn't make eco-fascists any less fascist for it.

No it wouldn’t but do you know the biggest contributor to CO2 emissions isn’t agriculture it’s just plain old energy usage.

Communism can most definitely help in curbing the use and extraction of fossil fuels while coordinating their replacement with renewables on a time scale that won’t doom humanity.

True, however there are different ways to do it, I think its Denmark? that gets more than double the yield/acre than the world average utilizing a lot of greenhouses and what amounts to pretty much hydroponics lite. If half of agriculture land suddenly didn't need to be used that way it would be huge.

Few fascists call themselves fascists. But ecofascism is mostly used as a descriptor for policies and policy priorities that are genocidal in the name of ecology, even though the proponents may be non-fascist in other areas.

For example, a neoliberal legislator may cut foreign aid because it's going to industries that emit carbon, while simultaneously cutting public transit funding to promote driving. Or a neoconservative may increase the funding for border police by a massive amount because climate change will lead to an increasing number of climate refugees.

I don't think they advertise much irl, but you can certainly find them in the darker corners of the web. If I recall correctly, it started as an academic term to describe the emerging ideology. Some of them view the term negatively, others have embraced it.

have you ever heard of the tragedy of the commons? because it was coined by an ecofascist and has inserted itself deep into economic theory. ecofascists are few, just like all fascists, but their ability to ply power allows them to influence world decisions by seeming reasonable while they murder, kill, and disrupt

"Slavery is the slaves' fault because they allowed themselves to be enslaved."