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[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 111 points 1 week ago (5 children)

If you’re wondering, Why recorders? — there are three reasons:

  • They’re portable.
  • Recorders in decent enough quality can be cheaply produced, so even low-income children get to play one. Compare that with a guitar where 30$ gets you a piece of wood that detunes as soon as you lay eyes on it. Not great for practicing.
  • Recorders have an easily memorizable fingering scheme that allows you to quickly pick up the C Major scale. Compare this with a guitar where you need to remember for each string individually which frets have the notes of the scale.
[–] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You don't need to remember for each string individually which frets have the notes of the scale on a guitar. If you know where the base note is, there is exactly one pattern for minor and one for major.

Guitars are very hard to play for kids because the strings are so thin that they hurt after very few minutes.

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Guitars are very hard to play for kids because the strings are so thin that they hurt after very few minutes.

That’s a better reason.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Also, longer fingers help with play and children don't have full sized hands yet.

That said, you could probably get away with ukeleles instead of recorders, if you were really insistent on string instruments.

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[–] PartyAt15thAndSummit@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

fingering scheme

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[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

You make these good points, but all I'm hearing is that Big Recorder is paying out public schools to keep making children buy and play them. Hot Cross Buns? More like Huge Con Bunkos! Thank you for your attention to this matter!!!

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[–] SARGE@startrek.website 66 points 1 week ago

I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't know of any 1st grade classes teaching financial literacy, nor high school classes focusing on how to play a recorder.

I did have a few weeks that focus on domestic finances in 8th grade. That almost nobody paid attention to. So there's at least one school that did both 20 years ago...

[–] justineie_bobeanie@lemmy.world 65 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Music is far and away the more worthy subject.

[–] myrrh@ttrpg.network 6 points 1 week ago

...music teaches you to be a good person; financial literacy teaches you to be a tool...

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

No. Only CPAs are valuable because only having a high salary matters.

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[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

People will be complaining about percentages and fractions being taught instead of teaching how to do taxes or do a budget. Which leads to the conclusion that people are idiots and it doesn't matter what you teach them. Other people are not idiots and they use the skills they learnt doing exercises and homework for good stuff but also sometimes for taxes and budgeting.

There is a cross section of smart people who only learned how to do school work and got straight As but failed to understand how that school work applies to real life.

I've been in classes with people who were in AP calculus have real difficulty in shop class trying to figure out how much square footage of whatever you needed. These are people who can figure out the area under a curve but fail to calculate a 20% tip.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Which leads to the conclusion that people are idiots and it doesn’t matter what you teach them.

There's a joke, once you get to college, that freshman year is about unlearning all the crap you were taught in high school.

This isn't an issue of "stupid people" nearly so much as it is deliberately manipulated and propagandized people.

What they're taught matters immensely. And one of the more insidious lessons of the Western education system is that schools exist to Stack Rank students, in order to segregate the Smarties from the Dummies and sort the deserving from the undeserving.

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[–] Impound4017@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 week ago (3 children)

For what it’s worth, as someone who graduated highschool in Utah (one of the shittest US states in terms of funding and education) I learned the recorder in Elementary school and was required to take a financial literacy class in highschool to graduate. True, that class taught now-useless skills like how to write a check, but it also taught me about 401Ks/Roth IRAs, how to file taxes, managing credit scores and lines of credit, mortgages and debt, budgeting, and a bunch of other skills besides. I’m not sure how standard this is across the US, but I can’t imagine it’s too uncommon given that it was a shitty small town high school in a deep red state. Hell, I’ve seen memes like this posted by people who graduated in my year and it always perplexes me because I know for a fact they had to take that class.

[–] mean_bean279@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The number of times I have to explain to people here in California that are my age that they did in fact take financial literacy, or that they were in fact taught skills like what to do during pregnancy is unfortunately too high. Tons of people like to talk about what schools need without realizing that it has it and they just didn’t pay attention.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Tons of people like to talk about what schools need without realizing that it has it and they just didn’t pay attention.

A semester class that happened thirty years ago probably doesn't stick out in your memory beside the 20 years of Facebook memes pounding your brain like a mini gun.

A lot of people just repeat things uncritically because they've been listening to the crap on the radio or the Joe Rogan podcast or whatever for so long that it's drowned the native memories out.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Totally agreed. I have often thought the same thing when people claim that schools need to teach critical thinking skills. Mine did.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

At my shitty red state high school financial literacy was a "life skill class" and only meant for those not looking to attend college.

[–] Impound4017@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Wild. That seems incredibly stupid, but incredibly stupid is very on-brand for the US education system lmao.

I’ll take that to mean my experience was very much not standard, then.

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[–] Battle_Masker@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

My guy, they're 6 to 8. It's not time to learn that mess

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[–] zxqwas@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They did teach us financial literacy.

If you found it important as a reasonably intelligent adult you could teach yourself basic financial literacy in an afternoon.

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

I agree. A lot of people don't know where to start, though. And there is a lot of bad information out there.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 13 points 1 week ago (16 children)

These things put me off music for years. Maybe next time start us with an instrument that doesn’t sound like total shit in beginners hands and which stinks of antiseptic.

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 13 points 1 week ago (9 children)

All education should be about creating productive citizens for the state!

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OP yearns for the boot of capital

[–] TheCleric@lemmy.org 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Am I the on,y one who never had to play a recorder?

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think it's an American thing, maybe? I don't think I ever played the recorder in school. My only experiences with the recorder was as a toy instrument that you'd get from souvenir shops. I didn't know the recorder was supposedly a serious instrument until my early adulthood. Always thought it was a joke toy pretending to be a flute. It was way below the kazoo in my mind.

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[–] markz@suppo.fi 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pleasant memories. The asshole next to blew as hard as he could point blank to my ear. Fuck I hate those things.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I got detention for a week because when one of my classmates did this to me I hit him with mine.

No ragerts.

[–] markz@suppo.fi 3 points 1 week ago

One assault for another

[–] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Did anyone here watch American Pie? I thought the benefit of this instrument is clear from that movie.

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Isn't she using a "flûte traversière" in that movie (not sure of the English name, "sideways flute"?).

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That is a flute. This is a recorder. It's just not the same putting it up there.

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 1 points 6 days ago

A recorder is a variety of flute known as a "fipple." But your point stands, some love to have a little fipple, while other's don't.

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Looking back I'm actually confused why this was even a thing. Did Big Recorder have deals with schools to push this? Is Big Recorder a thing?

We only ever used them for like 3 weeks and then it was on to the next thing. Haven't touched it since.

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[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago

Now that its 10 years since I last set foot in a school, I hold three opinions about the public school system (in Germany; check yourself what applies to your country):

  1. Schools are an institution where adolescents are detained during the day, so their parent(s) can work and not worry about their children setting fire to the city.
  2. A lot of the curriculum doesn’t prepare you for life. And it’s not meant to. Instead it forces you to engage with a topic for a longish period of time without the possibility to quit. That is supposed to allow you to see if you find the problems that topic poses interesting and if you like finding solutions for these problems.
  3. Schools should put more emphasis on life skills.
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Damned musicians!

How can ye exploit the workers if ye doon’t et yer meeeet!!

[–] weirdbeardgame@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I cast vicious mockery, Nat 20. Let's F'ckn go!

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