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Yesterday marked one of the most shameful days in the history of the Metropolitan Police as they arrested peaceful protesters including a blind man in a wheelchair, an 81-year-old woman with Parkinson's, a former British army officer, and a bunch of, um, Quakers. All of them were protesting against two things: the UK's ongoing participation in the Gaza genocide and the proscription of Palestine Action. All of them were arrested under the Terrorism Act.

Imagine being the police officer whose job it was to wheel this man away. You can see the shame in his face as he lowers his head. These officers must know history is not going to judge them kindly, but they must also know just following orders is not okay. If I was a police officer, I would not have made those arrests, even if it cost me my job. Doing the right thing is infinitely more important than just following orders.

Yesterday police made twice the number of counter-terrorism arrests than they did in all of 2023 and one-fifth of those arrested were over 70. One police officer was wearing a hat that suggested he came from a Welsh police force. Remember this when police say they can't send any officers out after you've been burgled. Police are dealing with the real criminals now, and the real criminals include quakers. Yes, quakers were arrested.

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[–] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 21 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Zionists are more important than your civil rights.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

~~Zionists~~ The colonialist self-proclaimed representatives of a white race who are right now mass murdering children of a "brown" race because of having born with the "wrong" ethinicity are more important than ~~your~~ the civil rights of the British riff-raff.

FIFY

British governments have a long and shameful History of supporting Racist Fascists no matter what they do, from Pinochet to the government of Apartheid South Africa. Even Hitler was supported (there's even a picture of the old Queen as a child being taught the Nazi salute by her uncle the then King) until he invade Poland.

Support for this specific Genocidal white colonialist nation mass murdering muslim children with authoritarian methods and de facto no concern for the civil rights of common Britons, is just the latest symptom of social and political regressivennes and even learned sociopathy amongst the British elites: they never really evolved beyond 19th century ways and "values".

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The US used to have a streak of "everybody can make it" (back when it had higher social mobility than all of Europe, which isn't the case anymore), whilst the UK's streak all the way from the 19th century was "you should know your place" and it only got broken for a short period roughly covering the 60s and 70s (which, not by chance, was also their peak artistic time, both in Music and the Performing Arts) when anybody did have a chance to make it no matter where they came from.

Outside that, the country was dominated by the upper and middle class who from my own experience living there for over a decade and given my own cultural references when I got there (Dutch and Portuguese) are pretty culturally backwards and prone to being performative in how they act rather than genuine (the contrast with the Dutch is huge), the higher the social class the worst (the culture amongst the "old money" upper class is nasty: for example they will gloat - in a posh way - about any display of weakness, even amongst themselves).

Society in Britain is so stratified into social classes (and, given the pretty much non-existent social mobility, means it's lifelong) that upper class people have their own accent, which is separate from regional accents. I know a number of spoken languages and this is the only country I know where the upper class has its own accent.

As far as I can tell the US doesn't have this deeply calcified social strata with a dominant upper class with unchallenged ideas of what is "prim and propper" dating back to the 19th century, towards whom most of the rest of society looks up and who even have their own schools and ancient univerties providng a well travelled path from Cradle to "Captains of Industy" for their children. I mean, the US does have such people and structures, but they're nowhere as dominant over society and the structures of power (for example, there literally are almost no Judges in Britain which did not attend one of such special schools as children) and what there is in the US hasn't been in place and doing their thing for well over a century.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I ment the US equally supported nazis (as they do today).

I also speak multiple languages Dutch/Flemish being mother tongue.
While the Brit posh accent is one of the most famous and noticably distinct other languages have it too.
Flemish nobility or royals, same as the French, have distinctly different accents from us plebs.

While the US historically doesn't have royals or nobility and hasn't been around for long time they surely have established their version of this old boys system, as you said.
I don't agree that they have less power over society.
Surely the Brit version is elitist and near impossible to get in, the US is more 'democratic' if you get in a wildly expensive ivy league institution.
If you're smart enough you might get a scholarhip but most important is that you sell your soul in return and do the regime's bidding, and abandon your working class background.
Nearly everyone of a certain level in politics or business comes from these institutions.
And their scope encompasses the entire US sphere of influence.
European politicians nearly all have a few years mentioned in their LinkedIn page where they attended those same universities.
And same as Americans, the 'poor' but smart Europeans ready to sell out can get absorbed in the US regime apparatus through international grants and scholarships.
The Fullbright scholarship deserves a mention for delivering the worst of them.
Euro 'journalists' not worthy of that name since they are US mouthpieces often follow the same path.
Their reward is joining US related think tanks, another toxic phenomenon.
This gets them powerful positions and they are often invited by the Euro MSM as 'experts' to give their colored opinion on geopolitics.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

In Britain it starts well before University, when the scions of the elites attend very exclusive "Public Schools" as teenagers (in typical British fashion, "Public" here doesn't mean state-sponsored like everywhere else, it means private and "open to anybody who can afford it" and even that last part is a lie for the most exclusive ones).

Mind you, whilst I wrote my previous post I kept going back and correcting things because the more I thought about the US in this context the more it seemed to me that the US nowadays does have a lot of that, it's just not as old and entrenched as in Britain plus the mindset of most people there isn't one of "people should know their place" as is in the UK.

I supposed you could say that whilst both countries are not at all meritocratic, people in the UK accept it as "the way things are" whilst people in the US still now (though it seems to be changing) deceive themselves into thinking "one day that might be me".

[–] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Very true. They tried dressing it up under a veneer of liberal postmodernism but the authoritarian, colonial brutality that characterises the English bourgeoisie has been laid bare by this genocide.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago

Indeed.

Having lived for over a decade in Britain, including the 2008 Crash and the Leave Vote and even having been involved in Politics there (in the Green Party), the only shocking element in this for me is the almost total removal of the velvet glove that was used to cover the iron fist (not total because they're doing the usual disguising of authoritarian oppression as "Rule Of Law" as if it wasn't them who put those Laws), since one of the most important things the British Upper Classes learn during their years in posh Public Schools is to manage appearances.

Maybe the dropping of the posh façade is due to the influence of America or maybe it's because they learned from the decade of Austerity after the 2008 Crash that in Britain the anger of the many is easily channeled against powerless minorities such as immigrants and the poor and there is a veritable bottomless pit amongst the "riff-raff" of people who will relentlessly defend the actions of "their betters".

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 33 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The propaganda framing from the BBC on the arrests has been truly ludicrous. They described the protesters attempts to “evade detection” by bringing blank pieces of paper along, explaining they would only write messages on the cards if more than 500 people turned up.

"Our correspondent.. has been telling me how protesters carefully planned to evade police detection while carrying placards as part of their protest," the newsreader explained as though she was describing the most sinister plot ever uncovered.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 31 points 4 days ago (10 children)

Remember when liberals were outraged when Russian protesters were arrested for showing blank pieces of paper?

The UK is now in the same stage of slide toward autocracy, evidently.

[–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

What is it with liberals literally only seeing bug problems when it's in other countries.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My theory is that, "Liberals" in the Anglo-Saxon style (though the rest are going towards it too) are pretty much Fascists with different lists of "good" races and "bad" races (the kind of people who would make fun of Trump's Oval Office by saying "it's like a Middle Eastern dictator" - so casually voicing prejudice about the Middle East) and that means they're also Nationalists like the Fascists or at the very least think Western society is superior.

Certainly it would explain a lot of things, including how easilly for all their proclamations of being against Racism, they'll support a Genocide mass murdering children in the tens and even hundreds of thousands as long the genociders are from a "white race" and the victims are "non-whites" - they were never against Racism, much less Discrimination in general, only against that which targets whatever minorities it's currently fashionable to claim to defend and even in that they stick to mainly performative support and avoid doing changes with real impact in bringing Equality of Treatment when such changes would affected the Wealthy.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I experienced 2 cases here recently .

1 is was Blue MAGA complaining about using a screenshot of an anti-genocide post on X.
Really upset, bcs you can't use X for something trivial as a genocide. It was hurting them in their much more important battle against Red MAGA.

Yesterday (and today) I saw the many posts about the NZ woman (and kid) arrested for entering the US.
One of the comments was literally "even white people from white countries!".
Instantly reminded me of this.

So I look up this case and see it's big news in NZ, US,etc...
I remarked that the woman didn't have her travel documents and asked if they could name one of the 1000's of brown people that suffered worse fates and unlike her forcefully got removed from their children and deported.
Despite having all their documents in order.

They didn't seem to notice their own (subtle?) racism and didn't like me questioning these double standards.
It could only be about the bad thing Trump did and that I had no empathy for the woman.
Not much later I got banned 😂

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[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 4 days ago

Paper! Believe it or not, jail.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I vibe with the sentiment, liberty for all and that jazz, but it's a bit ableist to say a blind man in a wheelchair can't be a terrorist.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Nobody does, especially not the UK government

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

here in the US, they won't even declare the KKK as a terrorist org, but holy hell will they happily go after brown people

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Here’s a reminder that modern gun control laws in the US got started during the civil rights movement by conservatives, because lawmakers were scared of black people owning guns.

The civil rights protestors realized that peaceful unarmed protests were quickly and violently busted… Cops had no qualms about dragging protestors around, beating people, firing into crowds, etc… But peaceful heavily armed protests had cops politely watching from across the street. Because firing into a crowd is a lot less appealing when the entire crowd can immediately return fire.

When conservative lawmakers saw heavily armed protestors on the front steps of their capitol buildings, and saw police completely unwilling to break the protests up, they got really fucking sweaty really fucking quickly. So Ronald Reagan (yes, the same Reagan who is treated as a paragon of conservative values by conservative talking-heads), and the NRA (yes, the same NRA who lobbies for looser gun control laws in the wakes of school shootings), co-authored and quickly passed the Mulford Act. At the time, it was the single most restrictive gun control law that had ever been passed, and it set the stage for modern gun control laws.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

you're smearing a lot of distinct point of history together, but the premise isn't wrong.

Ronnie got upset because it wasn't some civil rights march protester, it was BLACK protesters, specifically Black Panthers. That's what specifically motivated the NRA et al. The idea of minorities, armed, actually standing up for their rights.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's fair and it should be officially a terrorist org, but on the flip side there have been many actions taken against the KKK leading to their large decline over the decades, including in the 1960s when FBI Director Hoover and Agent Roy Moore setting up new field offices in Mississippi and holding many of them accountable as well as uncovering and making public new murders that otherwise went under the radar. There was also a large deradicalization programs that effectively reduced members of such groups and prevented crimes, the programs which grew in scale under Obama and were torn down by Trump.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

And mississippi only got that federal scrutiny after they kidnapped and murdered white protesters along with people of color. If the KKK hadn't gone that far, I'm not sure we would have seen that federal response.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Pretty sure it had more to do with the church bombing that killed 4 little black girls, but you clearly can't accept any examples of goodwill from whom you view an enemy.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

....

you do realize there's a difference between mississippi and alabama, right?

like, I know it's all the south and racism kinds to smear the boundaries but I was specific in my wording because I meant mississippi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_Street_Baptist_Church_bombing <-- alabammy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Schwerner <--- mrs'ssippy

man, sometimes I feel nuance is entirely lost on this crowd because they're so quick to attempt to correct what they're either misreading or misunderstanding.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So because of some imaginary lines you reject the correct timeline of events?

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So because of some imaginary lines

so we should just mash up all the events for all the places into some kind of quantuum hyperstate because you can't tell the difference between one and the other?

you reject the correct timeline of events?

and when did the fbi actually start acting against the KKK in the place we were discussing, mississippi?

did they start cracking down hard on those mississippi klansmen when those poor children were murdered?

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

did they start cracking down hard on those mississippi klansmen when those poor children were murdered?

YES. YYEESSS.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

NOT. ENOUUGGHGHGHGHG. OBVIOUSLY.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Chaney,_Goodman,_and_Schwerner

So I'm done having this convo, you're pedantic and genuinely boring. And apparently as dense as you are annoying.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

I'm sorry that holding child murderers accountable for their crimes bores you, have a good life.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 8 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Hot to make sure that the Israeli jew does his genocide in peace. God forbid they find out that nobody appreciates them or their crimes.

UK sounds like a shitter america but with decent health care

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Next they're going to be arresting a deaf-blind quadruple amputee and charging them with terrorism offences. It proves the complete absurdity of the PA ban and the total abuse of terrorism law by the government.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

From a different website:

Parliament in early July passed a law banning Palestine Action and making it a crime to publicly support the organization. That came after activists broke into a Royal Air Force base and vandalized two tanker planes to protest Britain's support for Israel's offensive against Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/uk-london-protest-pro-palestinian-law-action-1.7605253

[–] blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago

They must be Quakering in their boots

nah. racist anti immigrant right wing reform voters will never be considered terrorists according to kieth

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