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Trump reportedly to back ceding of Ukrainian territory to Russia as part of peace deal
(www.theguardian.com)
Zelenskyy says NO. So does EU
this post was submitted on 17 Aug 2025
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Go fuck yourself with an umbrella, cheeto
He was talking so tough before he saw his pimp, now he’s got his tail between his leg and he changed his tune
European intervention is looking like the only option now. because America is a captured state. there are only bad options now. and Europe is more than a year behind reality,
they sat on their hands hoping Kamala would win, and that they'd be allowed to continue offshoring their own defense matters to America, she didnt
so they sat on their hands hoping Trump wouldn't be who everyone thought he would be, He was exactly what everyone thought he'd be.
so they sat on their hands hoping he would change with time. He didn't, he accelerated his agenda and threw kerosone on the world by Parroting Putin, advocating Bibi, and Bombing Iran.
So they sat on their hands hoping he'd have a change of heart. And he rolled out the red carpet for the most honored guest, VVP.
Trump is an Ally of the Russian Mafia, Article 5 is already useless in terms of America, America wont go to war with Russia even if a KAB landed in Berlin tonight. Europe ought to consider their choices ahead.
Option 1 > Stop Bleating at America, Stop insisting that America Negotiate on Ukraines behalf in a specific way, and show some fucking teeth, and prepare for war.
Option 2 > Keep bleating at America, and accept Russia controls your politics now, and probably watch as your alliance disintegrates in 3 years when a military conflict breaks out in Latvia and no one wants to go to war with Russia.
I've done some superficial researches but I couldn't find anything: does anyone know what the morale is like in the regions that voted to join the Russian federation ? I only found out recently that there was a referendum held in the regions almost immediately by Russia. Stop. I know you want to call these referendum a sham, but this isn't the question here. Russia is going to operate as though they aren't a sham and no one has the power to stop them at the moment, so what I'm asking is "what is going on in these regions".
I can't find the article I initially found on the matter, but apparently civilian areas were being shelled by Ukraine during the vote period.
I'm not sure why Kyiv is so obsessed with fighting to reclaim regions that were ethnic russians and that seems like they don't even want to be part of Ukraine.
An incredible amoutn of the population from Donetsk and Lugansk is already dead.
I get why you would bring this up, but this is not an helpful intervention in the conversation. "Incredible" doesn't mean anything objective, and Ukraine factually killed multiple separatists before 2021, there's no way for me to know whether you're blaming Russia or Ukraine. So please be more specific, ideally with a source because otherwise this isn't adding anything to the conversation.
Why do you think that referendum being a sham doesn't matter and then use it as justification for Russia's illegal annexation of Ukrainian territory.
Like I already said: Russia will act as though they aren't a sham.
Unless you tell me you can stop Russia from doing what it pleases, it doesn't matter that the west cry foul.
Why are YOU not asking what is going on in these regions? What if the referendums weren't scam and most of the ex-Ukrainians are actually happy? This isn't my assertion, I genuinely don't know what is going on there, hence me asking what the morale is over there.
Like I already said: Russia will act as though they aren’t a sham.
That's not all you said, is it? You ALSO said that Ukrainians voted in a referendum to join Russia. Right here and this IS your assertion:
I’m not sure why Kyiv is so obsessed with fighting to reclaim regions that were ethnic russians and that seems like they don’t even want to be part of Ukraine.
I don't give a shit what Russia thinks, they're wrong. You're defending Russia by using the referendum, conveniently, you don't want to talk about the referendum's legitimacy.
Trump is an imbecile. His grave is going to be a gender neutral bathroom for the rest of human history.
I would use that bathroom.
Every day, guillotines become more attractive.
What the hell do you expect when two criminals meet. Fuck Vlad and and his orange sock puppet. The EU and Ukraine already know they will have to contain the Russians without the MAGAt fuckers.
I like how you call him a sock puppet. It's a perfect analogy since his other use is to be Putin's cum sock.
who the fuck does he think he is to "negotiate" ceding someone else's territory? (I'm not expecting any answers, the oompa loompa simply defies all logic)
something something, Alpha country, Beta country, Having cards, not having cards.
In all seriousness. these are people who have been parroting the same Kremlin lies that were confidentley asserting that Ukraine was already defeated like 1 month in and that everything after that was just prolonged suffering. These people are either Cowards, or Complicit. or both.
To be fair, appeasement worked quite well in the 1930s...
He who drinks with the enemy while his ally bleeds is no hero but a fool. You grant him honor while he seeks to burn your and your ally’s home. No word of peace holds meaning while his sword is still raised against those who stand with you.
Install troops in Ukraine and show Putin already god damn it. That makes putin mad? Good that will make EU more unified. And its not like putin is gonna drop nuclear bombs cause thats suicide :) So bring him to his knees.
It’s comically and frustratingly obvious that his “ideas” are simply “whatever the last guy he talked to said”
That's the dementia. At this point he is increasingly acting senile.
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Okay, well, the last time I made this joke it came true, so I'm going to throw some salt over my shoulder after I say it, but how about instead of that, we just give Russia about 20,000 square miles of Alaska. We can start with the entirety of the Aleutian Island chain (about 6,800 sq. miles), and then work out some chunk of the mainland for the rest. That seems reasonable.
And if that does come true, then by God I'm going to go out and buy a lottery ticket.
I mean, that does makes perfect sense, if we are suddenly thinking of giving Russia back parts it's given to others in the past...
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Doesn’t much matter, Zelensky has already said that’s a non-starter and their constitution forbids it anyway.
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