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Details of post-summit call were leaked in which US president supports plan for Kyiv to give up Donbas region

Donald Trump will back a plan to cede unoccupied Ukrainian territory to Russia to secure an end to the war between the two countries, it was reported on Saturday, after details of his post-summit call with European leaders leaked out.

Trump told European leaders that he believed a peace deal could be negotiated if the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, agreed to give up the Donbas region, which Russian invaders have not been able to seize in over three years of fighting, the New York Times reported, citing to two senior European officials.

Two sources with direct knowledge of the talks in Alaska told the Guardian that Putin demanded Ukraine withdraw from Donbas, which is made up of the Donestk and Luhansk regions, as a condition for ending the war, but offered Trump a freeze along the remaining frontline.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

What the hell do you expect when two criminals meet. Fuck Vlad and and his orange sock puppet. The EU and Ukraine already know they will have to contain the Russians without the MAGAt fuckers.

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 8 hours ago

who the fuck does he think he is to "negotiate" ceding someone else's territory? (I'm not expecting any answers, the oompa loompa simply defies all logic)

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

To be fair, appeasement worked quite well in the 1930s...

[–] Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world 12 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

He who drinks with the enemy while his ally bleeds is no hero but a fool. You grant him honor while he seeks to burn your and your ally’s home. No word of peace holds meaning while his sword is still raised against those who stand with you.

Install troops in Ukraine and show Putin already god damn it. That makes putin mad? Good that will make EU more unified. And its not like putin is gonna drop nuclear bombs cause thats suicide :) So bring him to his knees.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Okay, well, the last time I made this joke it came true, so I'm going to throw some salt over my shoulder after I say it, but how about instead of that, we just give Russia about 20,000 square miles of Alaska. We can start with the entirety of the Aleutian Island chain (about 6,800 sq. miles), and then work out some chunk of the mainland for the rest. That seems reasonable.

And if that does come true, then by God I'm going to go out and buy a lottery ticket.

[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

If that comes true, I'll also buy a lottery ticket, for the first time in my life, after 32 years of never gambling (despite having lived in Nevada for 30 years).

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 16 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

It’s comically and frustratingly obvious that his “ideas” are simply “whatever the last guy he talked to said”

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 12 hours ago

Yup. If you had Trump's ear for a few minutes, he is incredibly easy to manipulate.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

Yup, upcoming summit with Zelenskyy and the EU, and his tone will change after that.

[–] twinnie@feddit.uk 13 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

This’ll be the second time they’ve taken territory from Ukraine and gotten away with it. They’ll probably take Belarus once that dictator dies, and they’ll eventually take Moldova since they already control part of it. They’ll keep trying to take all of Ukraine until it happens.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 51 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Doesn’t much matter, Zelensky has already said that’s a non-starter and their constitution forbids it anyway.

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Got a translated source? That’d be a really interesting constitution

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 10 points 13 hours ago

In rejecting Mr. Trump’s proposal, Mr. Zelensky invoked Ukraine’s Constitution, which states that the Ukrainian territory is indivisible and inviolable. “The answer to Ukraine’s territorial question is already in the Constitution of Ukraine,” Mr. Zelensky said. “No one will step back from this, nor will anyone be able to.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/09/world/europe/zelensky-trump-ukraine-russia.html

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[–] DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz 17 points 19 hours ago (9 children)

So I think I missed something? Why is Trump thinking he has a say in this?

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 10 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Since if Ukraine don't listen, US will cut off military aid.

Which unfortunately, Ukraine need since no one else can provide the numbers and TACO would likely even block EU and AU from buying US weapons if they were intended for Ukraine.

Meanwhile he's giving away Alaska to Putin.

It was obvious three days ago, but it's painfully obvious now why Trump has initiated quasi martial law in DC.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 12 hours ago

If he actually gave Alaska to Russia, the Republican majority in the Senate would be down to one seat. The House is a little harder to quantify, because Alaska has one seat that would be reaportioned somewhere, but it wouldn't help their thin House majority much, either.

Also, I'm pretty sure Alaska would say fuck you, we're an independent nation now. Russia could do fuck all about it. Their military is already at the breaking point, they don't have a lot of capacity to land equipment across the sea, Alaska has a very well armed population, and the geography is ideal for insurgent tactics.

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[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 12 hours ago

He's a self important blowhard with delusons of adaquacy. That's really all there is to it.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Because the usa is still the major military power and he is the president now.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

They aren't a major military power in Ukraine though.

[–] JustARaccoon@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

They are a major backer though I think

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[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 27 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

It ain't his tho?

This is like selling someone else's car to a third party.

[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 15 points 15 hours ago

Yeah, but he wouldn't be the rapist that he is if he understood no means no.

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 63 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Next Putin will claim Alaska used to be Russian, and should be handed back.

[–] Rozz@lemmy.sdf.org 30 points 23 hours ago

And trump would give it to him after some fake posturing.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 12 hours ago

There's some nutjobs in the Duma who have already said that. Though this should be taken the same way as when some nutjob in the US House says something. Probably nothing will come of it, but occasionally, it does.

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 12 points 22 hours ago

Actually, Lenin invented the United States in the first place, so their entire country is historically part of Russia /s

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 17 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Without any guarantees for peace, like joining NATO, any peace agreement isn't worth the paper it's written on. Putin will demand such things won't happen and Trump will immediately agree.

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 11 points 18 hours ago

Indeed, Ukraine had an agreement for giving back nuclear weapons...

[–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 34 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

I don't seem to remember anyone other than Trump appointing Trump the lead deal negotiator for this, people would be losing their brains of Xi Jinping or Kier Starmer randomly started saying they were negotiating a ceasfire between Russia and Ukraine, Trump starts trying to do and it's all "sure let's give him a crack at it" regardless of the ridiculous outcomes of his meetings with either Putin or Zelinsky.. I've seen toddlers with better negotiating skills than this demented fool

[–] iglou@programming.dev 16 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Let's also not forget that the only reason he is even trying to negotiate and put an end to the war is trying to get the nobel peace prize.

Piece of shit. The US really outdid themselves reelecting that asshole.

[–] Klear@quokk.au 8 points 17 hours ago

I think it might be more of an Epstein situation here.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 6 points 16 hours ago

Trump is willing to sell out Ukraine and carve up its carcass as long as he gets a piece of the action.

[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

To hell with trump and putin, no glory in anything they do, abusing their own country

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 2 points 13 hours ago

trump logic dictates that trump should give up portions of mar-a-lago back to the American People.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Makes sense. Draw a north south line from moscow and the parts of ukraine west of it become russia while the parts of russia east of it become ukraine. Would provide a nice buffer for the nordic countries and help belarus to rethink its way of life.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I think you're looking at that compass the wrong way.

Anywho, isn't it against the ukrainian constitution to give up land?

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 11 hours ago

lol. yes I did have it reversed. I meant for ukraine to get saint petersburg.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Backing in this case meaning supporting, I assume. Backing in my language more means reversing.

[–] HereIAm@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

Yeah, as in covering/supporting someone's back.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Oh so we negotiate with and reward terrorists now? Because they aren't going to stop here any more than they stopped with Crimea.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 16 hours ago

To be fair, we always have. Despite it being said that we don't, that's always been bullshit. It's said so terrorists think that they can't be rewarded for their actions, but almost every time they try to negotiate we do, which is probably a good thing.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

History is full of example of rewards to terrorists like giving zionists who commited acts of terrors like king david hotel a state

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