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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 10 points 1 hour ago

Cruelty is the point. I really don't think this country will ever change in any positive direction, sadly.

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 20 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

Can someone explain to me, seriously…

why is there no one with the authority to deem him unfit to govern, and demand that he step down under duress of consequences? I mean, he is clearly addled and his entire administration is provenly grifting America- Why is no one demanding that he step down?

This seriously is the end of the road for me when it comes to making enough sense of any of this that that at least resembles a modicum of logic and rationality. At this point, I just can’t understand anything beyond why this isn’t a thing, and if it is,

what are they waiting for?

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 0 points 37 minutes ago (2 children)

And then you'd get Vance. Would you actually be better off of just in a slightly different, adjacent hell?

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 4 points 28 minutes ago

Yes, because Vance doesn't have the charisma to be a cult leader.

[–] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 1 points 18 minutes ago* (last edited 17 minutes ago)

Whataboutism at it's finest. And if Vance is unfit, we challenge it too. Simple as that.

[–] ibelieveinthehousehippo@lemmy.ca 19 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I keep seeing Americans post things like this. There's no one coming to save you.

The American people are the ones who need to be making those demands. The government should fear the people, not the other way around. Isn't this scenario exactly why there's the second amendment?

Sorry to say that this problem has been allowed to progress to the point where it will be neither convenient nor easy to solve. It's going to take consistent collective action.

[–] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 minutes ago

I'm sorry, but do you actually understand what a concentration camp is and how permanent death is? No disrespect, but I see so many Canadians on here confused why we aren't fighting harder. Plenty of us are. But maybe it's the privilege of not knowing true American Police brutality with chemical weapons and actual lead bullets.

[–] maccam912@programming.dev 17 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The only people with the power to decide he is unfit are all in congress, and playing a "my team vs your team" game. I'm assuming they think they'll look bad or weak or like traitors and are not willing to actually do it, or there are simply two distinct realities people live in, and in one of them he is perfectly fit to do the job.

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 hours ago

There needs to be a contingency. There’s no way we can go on with this. As long as you have the house and the senate, you’re above the law?

Someone needs to step in.

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Everyone gave up.

Including myself, I'm moving.

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 3 points 7 hours ago

I envy you. I’m stuck here.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 10 hours ago

Even without the occupation, housing-first costs less.

The End of Policing.

According to Need

[–] unconsequential@slrpnk.net 56 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It’s never about the cost. It’s always about the hate.

[–] daellat@lemmy.world 1 points 27 minutes ago
[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 111 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

This makes sense if cruelty is the point.

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

Not just cruelty. Someone else in another thread pointed out this is exactly what you would do if you're afraid of a civil war. Now, you've got an easily defended government center, and a large amount of people out in the streets that any opposing force will have to fight through in order to get to any of the governmental buildings (though really, we're only caring about the WH). Additionally, you have an oceanfront escape route if shit goes poorly.

[–] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 47 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Cruelty, yes, but let's not forget grift.

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 25 points 15 hours ago

And cognitive dissonance. Gotta redraw those lines in the sand!

[–] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 15 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

People say these facts, but not the base fact that all these facts prove which is that this lifestyle and the narrative created is completely bullshit and we are being farmed. That's our reality but it's so fucked up nobody wants to believe it. Psychological warfare owns the path of society.

[–] abies_exarchia@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I think the top 2 comments i see ascribing this to ‘hate’ and ‘cruelty’ are missing the point. This literally is better for the capitalists’ bottom line. This can be entirely attributed to profit. The threat of violence (homelessness, etc) that the working class is kept precipitously close to powers this whole machine. If everybody was housed the threat of poverty would have less material consequence. Cruelty is not the point, in this case. Neither hate. Simply profit. Which in many ways is much more cold and insidious

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 1 points 46 minutes ago* (last edited 46 minutes ago)

I get what you're saying, and I agree.

however I've also justified this by defining hate and cruelty as the method through which they achieve profit.

so to me, the message is the same

[–] AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 21 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Nominative determinism strikes again.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 8 points 10 hours ago

Trump's deployment of the National Guard to Washington, DC costs more than 4 times as much as it would cost to simply house every homeless person in the city according to researcher Hanna Homestead.

It's a very fitting name for the researcher.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

He was never that good at numbers, that Donald guy.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 16 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

countless after countless studies showed UBI will eliminate homelessness and wasteful bureaucracy to keep watch of welfare recipients and cheats

Everyone: Nah, we don't do that here.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Rich people in control of the city, it's businesses and services: nah, we don't do that here.

  • ftfy
[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 hours ago

Yeah but with that 4x budget they get to look like what they think is cool, they get to be openly racist fucks and they get to enact their cruel fantasies!

Money all worth!

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 25 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

I'm very supportive out housing the homeless as a fix, but to be clear math is on a per-day basis, it isn't some sort of long term fix.

I hate these stupid math headlines that don't actually make any sense.

Current deployment costs are around $1.1 million per day, housing all of those people in shelters at $45 per person works out to something like $250,000 per day.

This math calculation entirely ignores the fact that there aren't enough shelters to actually do that.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 24 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It's a simplistic calculation, but it does seem that often doing the right thing ends up cheaper in the long run. It just doesn't benefit certain groups, so it's not an option. If a million a day was applied to not just pay for sheltering, but to find solutions there wouldn't be a problem to throw authoritative measures at, or use as a reason to tighten security and control. They don't want to fix the problem, it works for them.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 hours ago

They will happily spend $10, $20, $40, $100 from the working class to put even an extra penny in the hands of the capitalist class

Michael Parenti talking about American empire and it's cost to the workers in the imperial core.

Which is fitting because I believe he also said (or he quoted someone that did)

Fascism is Imperialism turned inwards.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 29 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Would other costs go down over time? Housed people don’t need emergency healthcare nearly as much, and with a permanent address that would open doors to a lot of things.

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

I can’t believe you would forget the interests of the shareholders here

[–] sznowicki@lemmy.world 13 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

When communist were forced on Poland by soviets in 1945 one of their tasks for the next decade (that continued until 1980 collapse) was to build houses and give it to people. Other tasks were less nice like killing opposition, but housing was indeed how they decided to spent the resources.

US could start a massive communal housing programm on federal budget. They chose not to.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 4 points 9 hours ago

We don't even need to build housing. That's the worst part.

We just need to outlaw landlords.

"But no one will purchase our valueable real estate and we lose money by keeping it!"

And what happens when you have a supply of housing that far exceeds demand? Well if it's an actual functioning economy the cost of housing decreases. The ifs are doing a lot of fucking lifting in this idea though.

[–] dangling_cat@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Ok what about we increase the budget 4x? We can put each homeless person in hotel for $180 a day. The hotel shareholders would be happy too.

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 18 points 14 hours ago

What a waste.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 11 points 13 hours ago

Are we great again yet?

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago

Trump is a moron.