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The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.

[The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.

At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.

The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 94 points 1 day ago

Good for the homeowner. Any "law enforcement officer" who hide their faces and wont show ID are probably acting criminally and they should not be tolerated by society.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

Good. Keep your home safe. I'm not big on how guns are handled in the US, but your home is your home, and law enforcement must be clearly identifiable.

[–] icystar@lemmy.cif.su 23 points 1 day ago

Nice.

Doesn't surprise me that this sort of this is starting to take off in Houston.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

Circle pattern the door and your bound to hit the bastards. Glad to read the mask is backfiring.

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No details on the nationality of the homeowner? I wonder if they are Hispanic. I wouldn't be at all surprised if some MAGA zealots tried to play ICE and it turned out like this.

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 day ago (4 children)

This is why is a good idea to have an armed citizenry and well-regulated militias operating with transparency.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I agree, and I still feel much of our country's gun safety issues are educational and cultural issues, rather than permission itself.

I do NOT believe in mandatory military service, but I do think our citizens should be much better taught in how to be useful, reasonably disciplined, and coordinated human beings, to themselves and others. This shouldn't be just "soldier training."

Emergency management, wound care, and team coordination should not be "specialized training." Then maybe sense would become more common and organized, sane militias would be viable.

Instead, things like "wearing a mask above your nose" and "not shooting yourself in the foot" are excused by "lack of specialized training." Good Lord, I weep for the species.

Human beings are incredibly capable, and on the whole we've let ourselves be domesticated into consumer cattle...

I believe education is constantly gutted by these loons WHILE they push the gun-religion and rugged-individualist narrative so that the uneducated 'muricans FEEL tough, but stay effectively powerless to coordinate a resistance to actual tyranny.

Hell, they can't even recognize it right in front of them anymore, or in their hearts and minds.

But hey, let's keep our chins up! Maybe leftist gun ownership will be a cool symbol of freedom now, and we can openly mock the neolib "only cops should be able to protect you" disarmament fairytale.

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 152 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

lots of us said that this would be exactly what would be happening with masked police using constant escalation dominance as a tactic.

this is civil war behavior from a civilization.

it will also lead to blood feuds between people and the police as a whole. i expect to see more actual police police getting ambushed even if they are in a sanctuary city and are not acting to aid ICE.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 52 points 1 day ago

expect to see more actual police police getting ambushed even if they are in a sanctuary city and are not acting to aid ICE.

Unless the cops start shooting ICE on sight for the safety of their neighborhood, they are complicit and get what they deserve.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago

ACAB. Shoot fascists in masks in their masks. Full stop.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

lots of us said that this would be exactly what would be happening

And this is also what they wanted, they WANT people to start firing on cops in masks, this is the escalation they need to make the excuse for turning the US into a massive locked-down corporate prison.

"What's that? People are shooting at our precious law enforcement heroes?? Let loose the Palantir Drones! FLY MY PRETTIES!"

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They don't need the excuse, just look at D.C. in the past week. And escalation will only make things worse for them. They're looking at an armed insurgency situation akin to the "War on Terror," which proved that an entrenched group amongst the populace is impossible to oust because anybody could be an insurgent, and taking one out will create more people willing to take revenge. There used to be an excellent Flash game about this very point where you shot cruise missiles at terrorists walking across the screen. And every time that a missile would explode, it would inevitably hit civilians in the area, and those nearby would turn into more terrorists. You'd just continue to fill the screen with more and more terrorists than there were originally until eventually you gave up.

Somebody a few weeks ago said in a thread on a similar subject that the military's conclusion was that you need about 3 soldiers for every insurgent in a population. There's no way that they can draft as much as theoretically 75% of the population.

It's a whole lot of bluster, and if we could get organized we could topple the whole thing. ICE has homes they go back to at the end of the day. They don't have army bases to hide in.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That flash game sounds like political art. Just WOW. As an aspiring game dev that's just a brilliant way of getting the point across that I could only dream of.

The trouble with a lot of these things, sadly, is getting it in front of people who need to get the message rather than those who already agree with it from the start.

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[–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 219 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Schrödinger’s cop. Every masked creep with a power complex is simultaneously a dangerous criminal you should shoot on sight for your own protection and a police officer with qualified immunity. The waveform collapses when you get tried for murder, if you win it was a criminal all along, but if you get the electric chair it was a cop.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 436 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

I was surprised that the masked men weren't law enforcement. Police hiding their faces because fascism is just standard procedure under President Epstein.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 251 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Police said if you're ever unsure whether it is really the police outside your door, there are some signs to look for.

"Obviously, a police car with some sort of lights and sirens and a bullhorn where we'll be announcing ourselves," HPD Detective Kyle Stringer told Choi.

Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.

An interesting development

[–] nickiwest@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Breonna Taylor's ghost would like a word.

Seriously, her boyfriend was arrested (but acquitted) for returning fire in their home when police had no lights, no sirens, and no bullhorn.

This officer's advice does not apply anywhere that no-knock warrants can still be obtained.

[–] transientpunk@sh.itjust.works 192 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I love that I read your comment, then backed out to the main feed and the very next post is of a pig wearing what is effectively a ski mask

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 121 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.

the very next post is of a pig wearing what is effectively a ski mask

The logical conclusion is that that is not a real officer.

[–] craigers@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Appropriate username

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[–] icystar@lemmy.cif.su 10 points 1 day ago

Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.

I wonder if this could be cited in court in the case of someone accidentally killing ICE agents, thinking they were robbers or worse.

[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 92 points 1 day ago (1 children)

“Obviously, a police car with some sort of lights and sirens and a bullhorn where we’ll be announcing ourselves,”

They always announce themselves except when they don't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-knock_warrant

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 185 points 1 day ago (17 children)

"Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks."

It's going to be very, very interesting to see how this one turns out!

Always a good idea to be aware of lethal force rules where you live:

In this case, Houston, Texas:

https://www.houstoncriminallaw.com/blog/self-defense-or-assault-when-using-force-is-justified-under-texas-law/

"The Role of the Castle Doctrine in Texas

The Castle Doctrine is a key element of Texas self-defense laws. This principle allows individuals to use force, including deadly force, to protect themselves in their homes, vehicles, or workplaces without a duty to retreat. Under Texas law, your “castle” is considered a place where you have a legal right to be, and force may be justified when:

Someone unlawfully enters or attempts to enter your home.

The intruder is committing or attempting to commit a violent act, such as robbery or assault.

You reasonably believe force is necessary to protect yourself or others.

There are some limitations to this principle. For example, the use of force is typically not justified if the intruder is retreating or if you initiated the altercation."

So, assuming the story is accurate, and remember, initial reports are almost always INACCURATE...

"At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire."

So, yeah, as soon as they shot through the door, Castle Doctrine is in play.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In reality, if the masked intruder you shoot happens to be a cop, then Castle Doctrine is irrelevant. You're now a cop murderer. They'll figure out some legal or extra-legal way to see you behind bars or dead.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

Not 100% true. Though I admit it's rare, but in Texas a man was acquitted after killing a police officer trying to break into his house. Castle-Law absolutely came into play there.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-jury-acquits-man-fatally-shot-off-duty-houston-officer-man-claimed-self-defense

This is the most recent I can find, but it's happened several times in the past as well. It should happen more often, but unfortunately the defender rarely survives.

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[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 64 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Can we Gofundme him a new door?

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 83 points 1 day ago

Good. ICE and lookalikes are cut from the same putrid cloth, that is best disposed of.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 71 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Police said if you're ever unsure whether it is really the police outside your door, there are some signs to look for.

"Obviously, a police car with some sort of lights and sirens and a bullhorn where we'll be announcing ourselves," HPD Detective Kyle Stringer told Choi.

Sir, please go turn on your siren and announce yourself on the bullhorn so I can confirm you're a real cop.

How is that their actual advice...

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