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[–] nicerdicer@feddit.org 51 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] L7HM77@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This isn't a fight over security, or even the control to form a walled garden. This is to eliminate privacy, the ability to run anonymously written code. This forces every bit of code to be tied to a name and face. It shortens the legal legwork needed to pin down who made what, this will be used to eliminate anonymous groups compiling their own E2EE communication network. Time is important when your trying to use a compromised member of a group to make a honeypot trap.

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[–] L7HM77@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 day ago

This isn't a fight over security, or even the control to form a walled garden. This is to eliminate privacy, the ability to run anonymously written code. This forces every bit of code to be tied to a name and face. It shortens the legal legwork needed to pin down who made what, this will be used to eliminate anonymous groups compiling their own E2EE communication network. Time is important when your trying to use a compromised member of a group to make a honeypot trap.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The number of people I encounter, even on Lemmy, that genuinely believe and rigorously argue that being able to install or distribute software on devices you own is actually bad because “security” is beyond horrifying to me. They have been brainwashed into thinking that corporate monopolies are not only acceptable but desirable because you can completely and blindly trust Mom’s Old Fashioned Robot Oil to make all your decisions for you, for a modest fee and no opting out, of course.

This is why society is collapsing.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dude, I've been fighting this fight for over 10 years starting on reddit.

The amount of people, even supposedly?!? tech savy people that bootlick and excuse corporate behaviour is maddening. To the point makes you want to be conspiratorial and think they are saboteurs.

What I will never EVER understand is being loyal and "loving" a company. No matter if it's Apple, Samsung, Google they ARE NOT your friends. In fact they are the exact opposite and will make your life worse if it means they can squeeze an extra cent out of you.

[–] tomiant@programming.dev 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Lately I've been thinking that what it is, is people trying to eliminate that overwhelming sense of existential dread which springs from all of this, by buying into it, just like fascists do- "if I join them they won't come for me". They start telling themselves that "maybe it's for the best", that "maybe good things will come of it", and once someone makes that jump it's easy for them to become zealous or fanatic, not only because it gives them an even greater sense of empowerment because they're now part of an ingroup or a club, but can also get off even more on perceived moral or intellectual supremacy over others.

These are extremely uncertain times, and uncertainty makes human scared and anxious, and scared anxious humans latch on to anything that gets them out of those feelings, in this case like surrendering before this gargantuan machine that they can neither understand nor control.

It's like with cultists. They crave the comfort of someone telling them what the truth is, to give them certainty. I don't know, something I thought about.

[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They can piss off, there is no way I'm dowloading Google's ad ridden garbage apps of of their store. I'd rather stop using mobile phones alltogether

[–] tomiant@programming.dev 1 points 17 hours ago

The worst part is, the vast majority of people will opt in by default, and when 99% of people do, that impetus will pull everything else in together with it. Us privacy and liberty minded fringe cases won't matter, because the tech will keep moving in whatever direction is dictated by the giants because they will have ensnared the global population in their schemes, and it will pull us along with the drift.

It's pretty god damned bleak. We need to seriously organize and coordinate resistance.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 230 points 2 days ago (36 children)

Some of these comments are wild.

The OS should not at all stop me from doing what I want to do. Ever. Not even if that means I can fuck it up.

They can warn me when I attempt to do things that could fuck shit up. They can make it a bit harder to navigate to certain things so I'm less likely to fuck shit up. But it's my god damn hardware. I should be able to run and configure the software on it as I see fit.

[–] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 45 points 2 days ago (2 children)

But we subsidised the cost of your phone so we could make sweet sweet recurring revenue off your usage habits and targeted advertising!

You wouldn't want to take that away from us would you? Won't SOMEBODY think of the shareholders?!

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm getting really sick of products being only available subsidized by a level of invasiveness that should be illegal.

The government should need an individualized warrant to purchase my data. And honestly Google should need one to collect it

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[–] krunklom@lemmy.zip 72 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They claim this is about security but when your system is compromised there is fuck all they will do to help you.

Fucking hypocritical, control-hungry pricks.

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I can only hope the EU will set Google straight, the way they did Apple.

[–] tomiant@programming.dev 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

The EU will, at some point, cave to the interest of global capital. I am proud that they have fought as well as they have these past few decades, but as long as capitalism rules the planet, capital will always supersede rule of law and democracy in the end.

America is about to, if it has not already, succumb completely to that state of affairs, and once that power is consolidated by the capital, EU will be (one of) the next targets.

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 197 points 2 days ago (6 children)

We really really need an open OS for mobile phones that is actually competitive with commercial offerings.

[–] troed@fedia.io 133 points 2 days ago (13 children)

I don't think the OS is the problem - it's that some of the critical service/apps people rely on (government ID, banking) only exist for the closed systems. Third party OS's try to "solve" it through various container approaches running the official apps, but since they see that as a security problem it's not something you can fully trust to be working at all times.

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[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not only we have basic right taken from us, the available software made by corporations is much buggier and less usable than ever. I am grateful that I am actually going away from tech/IT and pursuing other hobbies/interests, because I am less frustrated that way.

And I've decided to switch to Linux (Debian with KDE btw), because aside from its learning curve, it's much easier to manage than Windows installation.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 42 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Megacorps gonna megacorp.
Monopolies gonna monopoly.

We can fight these giants by not using their services & products.

It only gets harder to fight them the more we give in.

[–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 30 points 2 days ago (14 children)

I can't even get people to switch to LibreOffice, not cuz they use some advanced MS Office feature but because the interface "looks dated". So they'd rather pay a subscription for life to use software that spies on them than download free software that does what they need but has a 2010s style interface.

Humans suck so much.

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[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 109 points 2 days ago (13 children)

You know, it's true - I have never heard a Linux user refer to something as sideloading, even though Linux is the platform that originated official software repositories.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The key thing to understand is that there's a big fucking difference between a "repository" and an "app store." One is designed for the convenience of users; the other is designed to exploit them.

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[–] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 109 points 2 days ago (7 children)

My feed is curated by the Illuminati

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[–] SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago

I had to 'sideload' the secret of mana port because play store would refuse to validate the license offline after purchase. If I can't play offline a single player game that i bought, than what should i do.

I also have an apk of wayward souls, because it was removed from the store and i like that game. Also a premium game. So yes. Running software as i see fit.

[–] EldenLord@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (9 children)

I finally want to switch to android and boom: Custom ROMs and "sideloading" gets swept off the platter. Well ok I guess I‘ll just wait for a good linux mobile OS

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If its such a security threat make it opt in for the users that want it. Idc about googles opinion on security I can handle that myself.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 13 points 2 days ago

That's literally what its like now. There's a scare message and a toggle

[–] laz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 2 days ago (3 children)

If I ever go insane and write a manifesto this will be on it.

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[–] Opisek@lemmy.world 61 points 2 days ago (3 children)

nudging the EU with a stick Come on, do something

[–] Vikthor@lemmy.world 56 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Plot twist: EU enacts Chat Control.

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[–] myth96@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Pardon my ignorance, but would loading a forked version of android (like lineageOS or grapheneOS) get around this? I know graphene at least puts all Google services in its own container. Would that allow the rest of the system to run "side loaded" apps? Or is this unavoidable if you use any version based on android?

[–] dai@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Larger issue at hand is the number of devices that are able to install / are currently supported by those projects.

Even something like unlocking a bootloader is a daunting task for an average someone who's even considering flashing a custom rom.

Considering regional variants of phones (looking at you Samsung) making this an even higher and more confusing task for the average someone.

The littering of tools for specific devices, requiring running on specific operating systems, the list goes on as far as hurdles to load a more open operating system on a phone.

[–] tomiant@programming.dev 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It's like that quote, "you can fool some people some of the time, but you can't fool all people all of the time"- thing is, they don't have to. They fool most of the people most of the time, and that is all they need to impose their agenda. The fringe cases, like people rooting and installing alternative OS's, don't matter if 99% of the world's population go along with whatever the corps dictate. The sheer inertia of that will keep pulling the tech where they want it to go, as global industry pulls the same way.

[–] dai@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

It's absolutely crook, I love my pixel but I'm not quite ready to wipe all contents, lose NFC payments and some application functionality.

Most of what I do with my phone only requires internet access, and a portable 5g modem is somewhat easy to come by. I don't play gamesor use many apps (home assistant, Lemmy, grayjay and a web browser) so for the most part I feel losing calls (or finding a workaround) won't be the worst thing that's happened.

x86 handheld consoles are becoming more popular, wonder how far that tech can be pushed before we have a phablet / phone sized device. Actually... Didn't Intel have some CPUs ages ago in phones that were x86?

I guess for me moving away from a pocket device and having a small Bluetooth handset tethered to something like a tablet / laptop would be a reasonable compromise.

[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Yes. Those who already don't give a shit about google will be unaffected.

[–] myth96@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Cause at this point, I'm considering loading Ubuntu touch on here

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