Millennials are killing the living industry.
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For suicide -
In the states, being suicidal gets you institutionalized in a place that will not help. These places are straight out of One Flew Out of the Coockoos Nest. There is no regulation. There is no oversight.
Imagine wanting to die and being punished for it. There’s a reason suicide rates increase after inpatient hospitalization.
The places I’ve seen in Europe actually seem to try to help their patients. I’ve seen TikTok videos from people staying inpatient in places in the UK - they’re allowed to have their phones there.
Getting help with ideation is impossible, because if you cross that line and admit to much you get treated like a fucking criminal.
The government owns your body and gets upset when you try to damage their property.
It's the only reason the system is set up how it is.
It’s so goddamned fucking frustrating.
Being under toxic stress and realizing there is no help. That seeking out help only makes the problem worse. Trying to talk to people about it and “have you tried therapy?”
Yeah, I paid thousands of dollars for someone to throw worksheets at me. I was stupid enough to go inpatient and lost my job, so now I can’t even pay for the fucking worksheets.
I literally have no idea what to fucking do.
Have you thought about not being poor?
Cant afford health insurance, much less insurance, co pay, second opinions, more co pay, appointments spread over months so max deductible isnt hit. Its a fuckin joke and if i have something wrong with me i'll just die from it.
well duh.
When it becomes impossible to afford to A. have a family B. hell even be in a relationship C. afford a home D. rent for the rest of your life and then struggle to pay rent or meet the annual rent increases and E. wages continue to stagnate there's really not much of a point in living.
Add all this to the US healthcare system where if you get sick you essentially have to "hope for the best" or if it's something incredibly serious you then become dependent on the kindness of strangers via a GoFundMe then yeah...it's grim.
Millenials [...] early adult.
😂
I got carded at a bar a few weeks ago for the first time in years, and now I find out I'm still an "early adult", despite being over 40? Hell yeah!
Seeing 25-44 being referred to as early adult was the first thing to put a smile on my face since I turned 40
I guess so many of us aren't having kids and can't afford houses that we come across like young adults from earlier generations!
Damn, if only my biology would play ball when I look in my parent's mirror and see my receded hairline.
There is no universal healthcare in the US. To debate any other reason for mortality is flagrant disregard for the truth.
There's that, but there's also drug overdoses, traffic fatalities, health issues, suicide, violent crime...
The US is a dangerous place in many ways, it would seem.
And a lot of those things you listed are simply because life kind of sucks here
From an outsider's POV (I'm Canadian) I see 2 main causes: private for-profit healthcare and almost unlimited access to guns.
Fixing those two would go a long way towards changing the death rate.
Well, there's that, and also
- Having to work really long hours to try to make ends meet
- Being underpaid
- No or minimal time off work (vacation and sick time both, and sometimes even medical leave doesn't protect you all that much)
- Poor worker's rights in general
- Crushing cost of housing
- Crushing cost of education
- Food and everything else you need to live is getting more expensive all the time, and the quality often goes down
- Poor quality of medical care (on top of the exorbitant cost)
- Not being able to spend much time with friends and family because they're all drowning in work or otherwise struggling
- Thinking about the number of friends and family who have killed themselves, come close, or are likely to try
Yeah but we've had all that for all the previous generations... Those are precedented
I like how seemingly no one here is reading the article because of the paywall, which no millennials (including me) are going to pay to get past, which is emblematic of why no one is going to pay attention to the findings of these (at a quick look) millennial-age-bracket-looking researchers instead of raging into Facebook algos or whatever most folks do. There are so many layers of irony.
The information pipe to steer us outa this is so busted. It’s unreal.
And yes, I know I can find the archive link…
Here is the paper linked in the article. Feel free to share it on Facebook
https://www.doi.org/10.1001/jamahealthforum.2025.1118
Introduction
Mortality rates decreased more slowly in the US than in other high-income countries (HICs) between 1980 and 2019,1 resulting in growing numbers of excess US deaths compared with other HICs.1-4 We assessed trends in excess US deaths before (1980-2019), during (2020-2022), and after (2023) the acute phase of the COVID-19 pandemic. Methods
This cross-sectional study was deemed exempt from review and informed consent by the Boston University Institutional Review Board because no human participants were included. We followed the STROBE reporting guideline.
We obtained all-cause mortality data for the US and 21 other HICs from the Human Mortality Database from January 1980 to December 2023.5 For each year, we computed age-specific mortality rates for the US and the population-weighted average of other HICs. We then calculated the number of US deaths that would have been expected each year had the US population experienced the age-specific mortality rates of other HICs. We computed ratios of observed-to-expected US deaths. We then computed numbers of excess deaths attributable to the US mortality disadvantage by taking the difference between observed and expected US deaths. We stratified by age. Finally, we fit a linear regression model to assess whether the number of excess US deaths in 2023 differed from the 2014-2019 prepandemic trend (eMethods in Supplement 1). Analyses were conducted with Stata/MP, version 18.0 (StataCorp LLC), and R, version 4.42 (R Project for Statistical Computing). Results
Our analysis encompassed 107 586 398 deaths in the US and 230 208 265 deaths in other HICs from 1980 to 2023. We estimate that 14 735 913 excess deaths occurred in the US in this period compared with other HICs. US mortality rose rapidly in 2020 and 2021 during the pandemic, then declined in 2022 and 2023. The pandemic-era mortality surge was less pronounced in other HICs (Figure, A). Figure. Mortality Rates, Mortality Rate Ratios, and Excess US Deaths Attributable to the US Mortality Disadvantage Relative to Other High-Income Countries (HICs) Mortality Rates, Mortality Rate Ratios, and Excess US Deaths Attributable to the US Mortality Disadvantage Relative to Other High-Income Countries (HICs) (opens in new tab)
A, Trends in US mortality rates, mortality rates of other HICs, and average mortality rates in other HICs standardized to the US age distribution in each year (1980-2023). B, Age-specific mortality rate ratios comparing US mortality rates to the average of other HICs (2014-2023). C, Excess deaths attributable to the US mortality disadvantage (1980-2023). D, Linear extrapolation of the prepandemic trend in excess deaths over the period from 2020 to 2023. B and D start in 2014 to enable visualization of trends immediately before, during, and after the acute phase of the COVID-19 pandemic. The comparison set of HICs included Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom. In panel D, the solid orange line shows the linear regression fit for 2014-2019; the dotted orange line extrapolates this trend through 2020-2023; the shaded area indicates 95% CIs; and the vertical black lines indicate deviations of excess US deaths from what would be expected based on the prepandemic trend.
Relative differences between the US and other HICs widened before and during the pandemic, particularly among younger adults, before contracting in 2022 and 2023. Age-standardized mortality rate ratios comparing the US with the average of other HICs were 1.20 in 2010, 1.28 in 2019, 1.46 in 2021, and 1.30 in 2023 (Table). In 2023, mortality among US adults aged 25-44 years was 2.6 times higher than in other HICs (Figure, B). Table. Observed Deaths, Expected Deaths, Mortality Rate Ratios, and Excess Deaths Attributable to the US Mortality Disadvantage, 1980-2023 Observed Deaths, Expected Deaths, Mortality Rate Ratios, and Excess Deaths Attributable to the US Mortality Disadvantage, 1980-2023 (opens in new tab) Year All ages Children and adults (aged 0-64 y) Older adults (aged ≥65 y) No. of US deaths Mortality rate ratio No. of excess US deaths (% of observed) No. of US deaths Mortality rate ratio No. of excess US deaths (% of observed) No. of US deaths Mortality rate ratio No. of excess US deaths (% of observed) Observed Expected Observed Expected Observed Expected 1980 1 989 837 2 031 945 0.98 −42 109 (−2.1) 647 614 522 254 1.24 125 360 (19.4) 1 342 222 1 509 691 0.89 −167 469 (−12.5) 1990 2 148 467 2 058 809 1.04 89 658 (4.2) 606 088 461 031 1.31 145 057 (23.9) 1 542 379 1 597 778 0.97 −55 399 (−3.6) 2000 2 403 399 2 048 411 1.17 354 987 (14.8) 603 345 447 098 1.35 156 247 (25.9) 1 800 054 1 601 313 1.12 198 741 (11.0) 2010 2 468 426 2 059 256 1.20 409 170 (16.6) 670 064 456 743 1.47 213 322 (31.8) 1 798 362 1 602 513 1.12 195 849 (10.9) 2019 2 854 826 2 223 579 1.28 631 247 (22.1) 737 398 419 815 1.76 317 583 (43.1) 2 117 428 1 803 764 1.17 313 664 (14.8) 2020 3 383 749 2 375 380 1.42 1 008 369 (29.8) 874 271 436 569 2.00 437 702 (50.1) 2 509 479 1 938 812 1.29 570 667 (22.7) 2021 3 464 260 2 365 452 1.46 1 098 808 (31.7) 969 489 441 582 2.20 527 908 (54.5) 2 494 771 1 923 871 1.30 570 900 (22.9) 2022 3 279 915 2 459 519 1.33 820 396 (25.0) 853 052 432 049 1.97 421 003 (49.4) 2 426 863 2 027 470 1.20 399 393 (16.5) 2023 3 081 628 2 376 297 1.30 705 331 (22.9) 777 813 419 866 1.85 357 947 (46.0) 2 303 815 1 956 431 1.18 347 384 (15.1)
Excess deaths attributable to the US mortality disadvantage peaked at 1 008 369 in 2020 and 1 098 808 in 2021, then declined to 820 396 in 2022 and 705 331 in 2023. These numbers followed 4 decades of rising excess deaths, reaching 631 247 in 2019 (Figure, C and Table). In 2023, excess US deaths accounted for 22.9% of all deaths and 46.0% of deaths among US residents younger than 65 years (Table).
Regression analysis demonstrated that the rising trend in excess US deaths before 2020 continued during the pandemic. Excess deaths in 2023, although lower than in 2020 to 2022, were higher than in 2019 and consistent with the slope established from 2014 to 2019 (Figure, D). Discussion
Between 1980 and 2023, the total number of excess US deaths reached an estimated 14.7 million.1 Although excess deaths per year peaked in 2021, there were still more than 1.5 million during 2022 to 2023. In 2023, excess death rates remained substantially higher than prepandemic rates. The rising trend from 1980 to 2019 appears to have continued during and after the pandemic, likely reflecting prepandemic causes of death, including drug overdose, firearm injury, and cardiometabolic disease.6 These deaths highlight the continued consequences of US health system inadequacies, economic inequality, and social and political determinants of health.1-3,5
Study limitations include potential sensitivity to choice of comparison countries, use of provisional data for some countries in 2023, and lack of stratification to investigate differences by sex, race and ethnicity, and socioeconomic status. Our results suggest that policy solutions may be found in the experiences of other HICs. Future research is needed to identify the specific causes of the widening US mortality disadvantage and opportunities for intervention.
This one was actually easy. If you use Firefox, click reader view, and the entire article is available. It's rare, but sometimes it works.
Not difficult to understand.
Why bother?
There's very little hope for a decent life. It's not rocket surgery. Unless you get lucky being born into wealth, success in entertainment industry, stock market stuff, something else that gets you enough money to be financially independent... is rare and unlikely.
The rest have to work jobs we hate. Rising cost of living. Own a home... Ha! Then you work your shit job and when you retire at 70 it's mostly just time to die, having wasted life working to prop up some billionaires enjoying yachts and diddling kids.
People are realizing there's not much hope for a large number of us.
Tax the rich or bring back guillotines, or both.
Even though i do get the privilege of being born into a lucky circumstances, i have to watch all of my peers in my age group suffer while i am somewhat compelled to spend all my time with folks in older generations because all of my fellow millennials are too busy being exploited or exhausted just to keep their head above water.
Will i be one of like a handful of millennials who fair a passable life? When i get to a possible retirement will i even have any peers to hang out with? Am i a shithead for not sacrificing enough of myself to make a better world? What could i even sacrifice to make a better world? after all there needs to be organizations to turn sacrifice into change, and all the organizations are run by boomers who are quite comfortable because millennials will barely even show up to community social groups, let alone commit to leadership let alone play the bullshit social games to fight for power and control.
What even is the point for me - an okay off millennial - to fight for the cause of the rest of us when everybody in our age bracket seems to be lining up to give the best excuse for giving up? If things are already this shit, then surely the odds are in y’alls’s favors to take a cause and go into the community and make a belligerent stand?
That's where I'm at. I graduated college at 22, got an engineering job right out of college that put me in the top 0.5% of income earners for my age, then did that for 5 years. At no point was I even close to being able to afford a down-payment on even a shitty condo where I lived. Now im unemployed, smoke weed all day, and im basically waiting to either participate in a revolution or run out of money and die. I am strictly unwilling to participate in capitalism anymore, I've got enough blood on my hands for a lifetime and nothing to show for it other than than the experience needed to realize how much of what I grew up believing was nothing more than cynical propaganda.
Does it have something to do with wealth inequality and quality of life being so inextricable from personal wealth? That would be my guess, but I don't know for sure bc paywall... Oh well.
I'm sure some of it is wealth distribution and some is access to healthcare. Culture also has an effect of course. But from the chart I saw in one these comments shows 22-44 year olds being 2.5 times more likely to die than other high income countries. That sounds absurd. (As in bad, not unbelievable)
Definitely but quality of life is tied to healthcare, and in the U.S. access to healthcare is sadly tied to wealth.
Younger millennial, single, small one bedroom apartment that isn't fancy, 2 cats, no kids. I didn't get to go to college after high school, my parents weren't about to help me, either financially or practically, and I just couldn't figure out the paperwork/admin nor could I have afforded it myself or gotten loans without a cosigner. I eventually got an ok paying job that required a certification. I work anywhere from 40-70 hours a week and I can still barely afford to pay my bills. I've gone over a month without buying food and lived off whatever free food I can grab at work. I'm slowly working my way through a college degree that I'm unenthusiastic about, but I got denied financial aid because I have to make enough to live and cover my rent like an adult and FASFA looks at my annual income and thinks that since I don't own a house or have kids I have no living expenses and that I can easily afford 30k in tuition every year, so I've gotten zero grants or scholarships and at this point I'm only trying to finish my degree so I have something to show besides my stupid loans. I've been putting away a portion of my income in a matched 401k for the past 10 years but lot of good that did me, it's lost far more money than it's ever gained, and it's expected to give me a mind blowing $15 a month when I retire if I continue at the current rate. My retirement plan is suicide, but more and more I don't see why I'd wait for retirement age. I have no time or money for hobbies and there's nothing in my life that brings me joy besides my cats. I think once they're gone I'll go with them.
My wife and I are older millennials, born in the 80s. I'm morbidly obese and she's an alcoholic and a smoker. We're doing our part.
If you compare economic realities for millennials in the US compared to other wealthy nations what does it look like? Genuine question, but these type of demographic problems frequently have economic underpinnings such as less access to health care, financial stability and quality food along with increased exposure to environmental toxins, access to guns, drugs and alcohol combined with a culture that requires driving to live except in very specific places.
Speaking of mental health, I am outside the specified range listed here (by just a few years) but my mental health declined significantly during and following the pandemic and for a variety of reasons, but I can absolutely see older millennials struggling with hitting middle-age with few assets to their name due to the massive transfer of wealth upwards which accelerated just as they were entering the job market. Who can blame them for wanting to give up when they were left out in the cold waiting for a chance at a future that was stolen years ago? Every year it seems more evident that our society has failed and we're just watching it slowly crumble around us.
This is pretty much it.
I was coasting along, and doing pretty well for myself. Things needed to be changed politically, but nothing dire. Working on that change. Then everything went off a f&@“ng cliff into the ocean.
Life is bleak, and like any disaster, know where the exits are.
- I'm scrabbling and doing everything to stay alive for my parents so that they don't worry. When they pass, fuck it, I'll probably help the statistic along.
I blame the boomers for being way too selfish. They're ruining it for everyone else
i told my mother (boomer generation) that now that she's 70 she should think about planting a tree she will never see grow.
she looked at me like i told her to go fuck herself and told me that was dumb.
the boomer problem is an everyone problem.