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Rafie Ollah Shouhed, 79, suffered multiple broken ribs, elbow injuries and a traumatic brain injury during the Sept. 9 incident, according to the federal tort claim filed by his attorneys.

According to his claim, when Shouhed attempted to show agents proof of his employees' work authorization, agents "cursed at him" and "violently body-slammed him onto the pavement." Three agents then allegedly pinned him down, with one placing a knee on his neck, the claim stated.

"You don't f--- with ICE. We are here," agents responded, according to the claim.

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 36 points 1 day ago

And the conservative base reads the article thusly:

Los Angeles

Oooh, strike one.

car wash

Ooooooooh, that sounds awful immigranty. Strike two!

Rafie Ollah Shouhed

Aaaand that's three, your humanity is OUTTA HERE!

Your woke propaganda like "citizen" and "business owner" have no power here!

[–] spuriousMoot@lemmy.zip 104 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I hate the idea that ICE and LEO can commit these types of abuses and then the cost of lawsuits is borne by taxpayers broadly. Seems like it would be more impactful if liability was on the officer (through professional insurance) and the agencies that employee them.

[–] F_State@midwest.social 12 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

That's why there's been a movement for years to end Qualified Immunity and force Police to carry their own insurance like Doctors do. As long as Police face no serious consequences for breaking the Law, they'll continue to be vicious thugs.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

I made this same comment before I read yours. So 100% agree.

[–] zephiriz@lemmy.ml 12 points 23 hours ago

End qualified immunity and have the lawsuit money come out or the cops pension money and I'm sure it would change right quick.

[–] sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 day ago

That's why ICE agents cover the faces. you can't really know if they are even real agents

I believe it would be best if it is split. $100,000 per incident by the U.S. government, $1,000,000 by the agents involved. Bankruptcy not being able to get rid of it. That's before there should be criminal implications.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There will be no liability. The feds are almost always exempt from it.

[–] spuriousMoot@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

That's probably true. Most successful civil suits I know about are local/city police.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It is like the lawyers pulled a number out of thin air.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 0 points 18 hours ago

How do you think these numbers are calculated? Come on share your wisdom

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

He won't win. You almost never win against the feds. The courts repeatedly ruled they're immune from almost any civil shot. Worth a try though.

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 10 points 23 hours ago

The agent might not be ablento be geld personally liable, but 28 USC 1346(b)(1) and 48 USC 1983 have claims won against the government all the time. The problem is that the government steps in and takes the liability of the individual. This means that bad actors are never held to account as individuals.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

well they're not immune from any shot...

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

When we say "changing hearts and minds" let's broaden what that means

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 112 points 2 days ago (45 children)

I mean we're seeing these videos everyday. A no kings protest 2 weeks from now isn't going to stop this. sternly worded letters won't stop this. there is one force we know if which can stop this.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

everyday

everyday: typical, mundane

every day: daily

It's the difference between yelling "Hi Jack!" at the airport .. and something else.

[–] SadSadSatellite@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Since ice is made up of molon labe guys, they should be fully supportive.

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

The molon lave guys seem to ignore the part where the Spartans did, in fact, find out

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[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 65 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

No matter how much hate ICE is getting, it is not enough

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 56 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] who@feddit.org 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

Fuck lawyers, too

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 45 points 2 days ago

Ice came to chicago to learn how to put a government in debt from lawsuits due to law enforcement behavior.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 10 points 2 days ago

Best I can do is the rest of your life in an El Salvadoran concentration camp.

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