Fundamentally, elections were designed to be a peaceful alternative to the peasantry revolting against the government and beheading their king. As Americans come to grip with the reality that their elections are meaningless, their politicians are bought and their only alternative to fascism is fascism-lite with a pride pin (no trans ppl allowed though) this attitude will continue to fester.
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You can't argue nazis out of your government. Churchill didn't convince Hitler to back out of Poland over a friendly cuppa.
Peaceful general strikes would be a better first option imho
Trump certainly does, or at least it's what he claims.
Just because it will probably be, doesn't mean you have to initiate it first. Not only is there a lot of preparation that needs to go towards a revolution that isn't just arming and shooting, but it's also better if the other side is the one to initiate it first. First is getting rid of the delusion that the federal government hasn't been corrupted beyond repair, getting rid of the delusion that you can work inside a system that's now exponentially worse than it was 4 years ago and somehow fix it. Then you can look at your own history and where power can actually be consolidated, and begin preparing knowing you are working against compromised social networks with the next generation of Cambridge Analyticas so you can't rely on ignoring the elephant in the room.
America, you have the right to bear arms for a reason.
Guns do not protect you from Fox News.
I disagree with Lemmy (and the growing public sentiment), but for the opposite extreme reason: we are beyond violence changing things. This is a propaganda/reality war, and truth doesn’t really matter.
Historically, it has always taken violence to remove fascists from power.
The problem with all of this is that the right is literally saying this exact same thing.
We dismiss it because it's ludicrous, because they HAVE all the power, their guy IS the deep state that controls everything, but our media world has fashioned a narrative for our stupidest segment that they're the oppressed underdogs.
Meaning, no matter what happens, even if we get our best outcome and drag this administration onto the White House lawn, we still have to live next to millions and millions of people who think we've been planning to do that to them for decades now.
There is no good solution that doesn't involve some kind of new leadership that needs to be built from the ground up and will likely take generations to nurture and develop.
So what though? If it gets to the point of having to violently overview the government, we're past the point of precedent. We can just use their beloved AI to scrub social media profiles and purge them from the voting registry. Sure they'll believe that was the plan all along, but we'd have a few decades where the scales were tipped so far in our favor that their children and grandchildren could be properly educated without all the revisionist bullshit.
That's the key, right? You've gotta build a society afterwards that doesn't perpetuate the cycles of abuse and enlightens people with education. One that doesn't exploit anybody and doesn't have a class structure that divides people. That's the only way you can build a society that can reliably raise every child healthily. Any society that strives for equality like that will necessarily have to ignore the voices of those who want to hold it back.
There's ample of evidence that a couple of decades to reeducate their children and grandchildren simply isn't enough or doesn't work.
We had a couple of decades to educate everyone about fascism,... and yet we're here.
We allowed them to rewrite the history books. We're here because education was so fucking bad. I grew up in California and was taught that MLK's I have a dream speech solved racism in America and that the civil war was about states rights. There's lots of room for improvement.
Then you begin a thousand-year cycle of violence and reprisal for that violence until our great great great great grandchildren have no idea why they hate this group of people they live next to.
There's a precedent for this, you might have heard of it.
Facebook clowns laughed at me when I said that you can vote in fascism, but you have to shoot your way out.
Not always. The Portuguese carnation revolution happened without violence. Spain democratised right after Franco's death.
So violence, military coup or heart failure?
violence is already happening, it's just that people are too scared to fight back against it
not only that people not close to areas of violence are still too content, because they have thier creature comforts with them.
Haha, it'll never happen.
Most are too complacent, comfortable, and mollycoddled to do anything. They'll just try to wait it out and hope that it'll change at the next election ...not realising that if there is a next election that it'll probably be rigged, to quote the orange child rapist himself "you'll never need to vote again, we've got it sorted".
The daft thing is you don't need to have a massive civil war to end this bullshit. You just need some backbone and to target the orange paedo from all directions and not let him have any time or space to do his evil shit. Then once he's out, or dead from the inevitable stress induced heart attack, go after his cronies. He's the biggest manbaby that's ever lived, use it against him.
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Not fascism?
you mean covert fascism. many of the elements were there, it's just out in the open now.
That's your interpretation, but this could also be an indicator of fascists becoming more violent. Which is terrifying.
How about not voting for soon to be dictators? Violence is not needed
“If you just vote hard enough the people with all the money and power (who designed the system to let them keep all their money and power) will just hand over all their money and power. “
doing infrequent protests hasnt helped one bit especially if not large numbers like other countries do it, if the enemy knows you arnt going for thier HEADS, they will just laugh and move on.
also people are unwilling to boycott/generally strike, because they sitll have thier creature comforts, plus all the propaganda against protesters in general, i think the staged eco-protests(the ones that defaced public things, were funded by the oil/gas industry) over the years was just testing the waters.
This is exactly how it's being orchestrated. Pit the people against each other so the politicians and wealthy can get away with literal murder.
We are being governed by the "Epstein Elite", literal pedophiles and sex traffickers and the idiots that kneel to them.
culture wars crap= aka, anti-wokeness, antivaxx, anti-trans.
not class wars=billionaires vs the not .01%
If the people of America violently revolt en masse, I reckon it’s a 50-50 call if the military backs the Government or the People.
The military would almost certainly split.
In which case the likely outcome would be the establishment of 2 separate counties?
Like East and West Germany? north and South Korea?
If it comes to a stalemate but I doubt it would, though I'm no expert on war. I was thinking it would just make a longer war. I've met plenty of military families and they all have different beliefs just like everyone.
1775: Breaking News, there's a growing number of colonists who think violence is necessary...
if this comes to violence, I will be slaughtered. not because I plan to fight, but because trans people have been so thoroughly villianized by the Right. I won't hurt a soul, but I expect to be hurt.
violence would be a catastrophe.
It’s already happening. If I was trans I would be looking to flee the country ASAP. I wouldn’t even trust blue states to protect me.
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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
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It's worked to found the nation and gain independence. It worked to ensure slavery ended. It worked in both world wars. Americans have no problem using it in every single country in Latin America and the middle east. What's good for the goose...
Which track we talking about lol
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