Amazing that demanding from the agencies to adhere to the rule of law makes some people really, really itchy.
this post was submitted on 06 Oct 2025
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States need to be putting out their own narratives and setting rules, not just letting the rump regime set the narrative ("Portland is burning to the ground!", "Chicago is a war zone, the most dangerous city in the world!" etc). They should use their own messaging. And states should band together to take a stand.
Here's an example of the type of propaganda and tactics that Governors, mayors, etc. should use:
"Gangs of masked criminals are running rampant, impersonating ICE officers to commit crimes against defenseless civilians, who don't know who to believe! [give an example or two]. This cannot stand--we must have law and order!
Therefore I have signed an order that our City Police (our National Guard may be called to help them if necessary) will arrest anyone who cannot show that they are an ICE or law enforcement agent. To distinguish them from the criminal gangs, Agents must wear badges in plain view to identify themselves and are prohibited from wearing masks that hide their faces. They must show valid warrants and provide their badge numbers when asked.
Anyone who cannot show they are a legal agent and acts violently toward or violates the rights of civilians may be assumed to be a criminal and be arrested. Furthermore, citizens may protect themselves or others in self-defense. If you are an ICE agent and don't display your badge, you have only yourself to blame if anyone assumes you are one of these criminal gang members and acts accordingly.
Such naive hope.
I agree mostly with your message, however, a city mayor cannot dictate policy and procedure to any federal entity. They would also likely be opening themselves up to all sorts of liability, i.e. lawsuits for arresting a federal agent. Worst case scenario is CPD getting into a shootout with ICE.
Now unfortunately, before you ask and I'm sure you've been pondering it, I don't have a lot of answers for you in what they should do. It'd basically be career suicide for most of these people in power and while I do agree it's the noble thing to do, it's also not necessarily intelligent to offer yourself up on a platter and most certainly be replaced with a pro Trump puppet once you're removed.
America certainly has itself in a pickle. Good luck
Who says who can and can't dictate policy now? There are no longer any rules. Laws are violated continuously by the very government that is supposed to follow and enforce them. The Constitution is nothing but a piece of paper now. A right-wing authoritarian power, enthusiastically supported by at least a third of the populace, has control of all three branches of the federal government. Troops are being deployed against the residents of states and cities the regime doesn't like. The federal funding they are owed is being withheld. There is no more "you can't do that", there's only strategy and tactics on how to deal with the situation. The available options are shrinking every day.
Strategy and tactics tell us that your idea is not realistic. You need to understand that laws are threats of violence and the last person to speak in any situation is the person holding the biggest gun. The mayor of Chicago cannot out gun the federal government and it's nonsense to suggest he should try.
So will Chicago PS arrest ICE agents who enter these premises? Because so far the law has not been an obstacle to Trump.
See now all the dem mayors and city who increased police budgets after 2020 are going to be glad they did, the police will definitely put themselves between the communities they're been occupying and their fellow fascists.
Seeing what is happening reminds me of Eisenhower seeing the concentration camps for the first time and immediately calling for the media to photograph everything and for members of congress to view the atrocities in person. He knew that there might come a day when the world wanted to pretend that it never happened and insisted that there be enough evidence that there was no way anyone could deny the holocaust.
It was the greatest act by a president (in my opinion) before he even became the president.
The lesson being, everyone in these cities need to be recording everything, so that when the blatantly criminal administration and its enablers are finally held to legal account (and they will), there can be no denying what they attempted to do in America in 2025.
We need a EU Edition archive.org. Upload all evidence there. Someday Google search engine will become like Baidu and you can't find any of the massacres anymore.
wwhy not decentralize it entirely.
I mean, problem is, its not a wikipedia that takes only 100GB, archive.org is in the TB and PB range.
If the funds can only sustain a max of 500 PB (for example), if you split that funding to 2 sites, you reduce it to 250 PB, if you want a EU site, a US site, and a Australia site, for example, you're splitting the same pool of funds to just 166PB. I highly doubt people that usually donate $50 to one site is suddenly gonna find the money to donate $50 to each of the 3 sites, so the natural course of events is to split their donation to 3 sites.
(I mean, if you wanna make a personal backup copy to "decentralize" it, you can already do it yourself, just start downloading. I'm talking about a 100% clone of every bit of data, I don't think individuals are gonna be able to maintain 500PB all by themselves and constantly check for data corruption)
Fuck the secret police above all others.
Makes me think, however flawed the American democracy is, the federal set up does indeed hamper the attempts of tyrannical consolidation. Diversity is not without issues, but having enough diversity allows deviation from enforced thoughts. So diversity is indeed a strength. This is what the MAGA wants to rid.
they're still black bagging people off of streets in broad daylight, in plain clothes with zero identification, and sending them to whothefuckknows...if your federal setup cant stop that then what the fuck is it for?
I said federalism hampers attempt at tyrannical consolidation of power, not stop it completely.
just saying...all these supposed roadblocks seem to be wide open...
This is awesome
Trump and his brown shirts.
its brown because they were up trumps behind.
Hopefully red shirts soon
A government that detains and assaults its own citizens without justification or warrant is no longer a legitimate government and must be dismantled and replaced with a government that serves the will of its citizens.
The will of citizens comes second to the rights of all people. It wouldn't matter if 90% of the country wanted this. It would still be an unconstitutional infringement of rights.
100%. The whole point of the document was to put guardrails to override the "3 wolves and a sheep deciding on dinner" scenario.
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replaced with a government that serves the will of its citizens.
What are we going to do about the 20 to 40 percent of people who support ICE and other horrors?
edit for clarity: replace "this" with concrete
Realisticaly, unless we are doing forced deportations or removing their voting rights, they are unfortunately gonna still have a voice in the process, but its society's job to educate the next generation to make sure they don't become those idiots. As long as the idiot's party never attain a majority, or try to overthrow the democratic process, its just a permanent minority that is loud as fuck, but has no teeth. There's always gonna be those types of regressive people, even in the best fuctioning democracy.
Waiting for the first politician with power of a police department to say this. The police will likely turn on that person. But it needs to be done. States/Cities need to defend their citizens. Or at the very least show how the existing systems have failed and fallen fully to fascism.
It seems ICE tear gassed some Chicago cops. Good timing, Mayor
Link? On purpose or out of incompetence? The later is just as likely lol.
Edit: Read that in reverse thinking the cops tear gassed ICE. I know what incident you're referring to now.
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Good on yer, Mayor Johnson. I'd like Mayor Bass to do the same. And the LACC to instruct the LAPD to enforce due process.
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Well, I can dream, can't I?
Imagine that! The consent of the governed.
The administration is TERRIFIED of its own citizens and they are doing anything they can do to suppress our rights and make us suffer.
At the same time, they are crashing the economy as fast as possible so we don't have time to fight back and protest. The struggle is their favorite part.
they are hoping to be another 08 crisis, when everyone was desperate for any job, even joining the military
Because fascists fear one thing more than each other, people.
Yeah... sometimes I feel like growing up with an abusive vindictive parent kinda prepared me for this. I wish I had something better to tell you, but the reality is they just suck and they shouldn't be in control. They're abusive. They're vindictive. I'm sorry and you deserve better, but you're stuck with them (for now). You're not alone though. We're all stuck with them (for now).
They get off on watching you struggle, but they also have fragile little egos that are easily bruised. Use that to your advantage. Take some comfort in the fact that narcissists are so blinded by their own egos, it usually means they can be outsmarted because underestimating everyone who isn't them is their default mode. Their thinking is really rigid because they lack empathy and the ability to see things from any perspective other than their own. Often this results in them inadvertently but repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot while trying to assert their dominance. Try to laugh about it when it happens. Take care of yourself. Try to take care others. Stick together and remember you're better than them.
This only works if they are willing to enforce it. So they would need to order and get CPD on board with arresting ICE agents. And as much as I would love to see that happen, police tend to be the biggest bootlickers of them all.
Even the mayor stated federal agents wouldn't be arrested for violating this. So it is just pointless and performative.
It gives the populous more 'room' to intercede. Basically, a normal person at a cafe feels they have some permission structure to stand up to ice, after all, the governor and the mayor told them to. So they aren't rebelling, they are helping uphold the law. I think things like this actually goes a long way in moving the general public. At the very least it doesn't hurt
According to the mayor, while federal agents in violation of the order would not be arrested by Chicago police, the city will take the federal government to court if necessary.
So yeah... nope, they're not going to enforce it.
Ah, yes. The government that famously doesn't listen to court orders will be sued. I'm sure that lawsuit will finally bring a stop to all of this lawlessness this time.
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Get warrants, fuckos
Without liberty and justice for all, there can be no one nation undivided.
Secede.
As an American, I rather restore the rule of law, then pause red state's federal representation and EC votes until we do a proper reconstruction. This is OUR house, lmfao, why do the majority of law abiding people have to leave, just because of a small minority of lawbreakers managing to usurp the government powers?
Take. Our. Country. Back.
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They'll take it as a challenge to their authority and specifically target them, just like sanctuary cities and states. I hope those businesses have funds for renovations after a SWAT entry team has their way with them.
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