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White House Flips Out After Chicago Mayor Announces “ICE-Free Zones” (newrepublic.com)

submitted 19 hours ago by AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works to c/news@lemmy.world

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Under the order, private businesses can choose to display signage indicating that ICE cannot enter without a warrant—thereby designating “their property as part of a city-wide network of community spaces that stand together in affirming the safety, dignity, and belonging of all of our residents,” the mayor said.

Johnson touted the order for building “a broad civic shield that limits the reach of harmful enforcement practices. It strengthens neighborhood solidarity and it reaffirms Chicago’s role as a welcoming city.”

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[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 11 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Something that the current ICE activity brings to light is how lopsided government power has become in the US. The federal government has too much internal power and influence on US soil while state and local governments have too little.

Unless a state/local government is actively engaging in interstate crime against the wishes of their neighboring states the federal government shouldn't have any authority to impose federal laws/rules on those states.

The power structure of this country was more bottom up when it came to government authority and state autonomy when we broke off from the UK, we should seriously get back to that in some respects.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 6 points 27 minutes ago

I agree with the gist of that, but being born and raised in the deep south, I believe the federal government coming in to enforce civil rights was very necessary.

That is not what this is. This is literally the opposite, and its insane that they are seriously trying to make that comparison.

The federal government came in to desegregate public schools. They didn't drop from helicopters on to the roof of private domiciles and send swat teams to kick down doors to arrest anybody opposed to desegregation.

The government is supposed to protect and defend the rights of every American, even if you disagree with them. That's also why "DEI" exists, and I hate to break it to anyone who gets angry hearing "DEI" talk, but if you're not named something like "Welslyian Trottersworth IV," like it or not, you have most likely benefitted from "DEI practices," at some point in your life.

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 1 points 25 minutes ago

Anything to fight back is fine with me good work.

[–] jve@lemmy.world 12 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Since they’re ok with stores banning masks, they would be ok with stores banning masks for people in uniform too, right?

Or would that somehow be discrimination?

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 3 points 32 minutes ago

It is absolutely wild to the rest of the western world that ICE agents under Trump are allowed to conduct their job masked all the time.

Literal secret police in failed state shit.

[–] FreeMindFreeAss@lemmy.world 51 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

My great-grandfather would lose his shit if someone had told him that feds would be invading states against the wishes of the local governments. We forgot what America is supposed to be.

[–] SoloCritical@lemmy.world 26 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

My grandfather fought actual Nazis, sometimes I ask myself what he would think of our political situation today.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

My grandfather fought actual Nazis

My grandfather was in the Navy during the 1940s. My uncle was in the FBI during the 1980s. My brother is in the National Guard in the 2020s.

The times, they are a-changin'.

I ask myself what he would think of our political situation today.

There's a joke about going back to 1789 and telling George Washington what has happened in the past 250 years.

And his first response is "Wait, you let a black guy become president?! That's not what we fought for!"

His second response probably involves asking to see "Hot MILFs in your neighborhood"

[–] nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world 7 points 1 hour ago

I am older; my Dad was an older guy when he had me. He fought in WWII.

Growing up he always told me: "I fought the jackboots. One day it will be your turn."

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 hours ago (4 children)

I don't know what happened to all the pre Rand Paul libertarians that everybody thought were paranoid talking about government overreach in the 90s?

Federal agents dropping from a fucking helicopter to an apartment building in Chicago, kicking down doors, zip tying crying children, keeping people they just pulled from their homes in cuffs for hours without letting them contact a lawyer, and raiding the entire building like fucking pirates to steal peoples valuables is so fucking far beyond "overreach."

[–] nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world 7 points 1 hour ago

what happened to all the pre Rand Paul libertarians

I was one of them. I was in deep. I've met Ron Paul multiple times. I know some of his former staffers.

I will tell you what happened:

They were right that in fact the Government is spying on everyone, and bald-face lied about it (Clapper)
They then assumed that the Government can only lie, and that everything official is by definition untrue
A supermajority of them are religious faithful. They can be super educated but they still believe in Bronze-Age fairy stories and "personal Truth"
... which made them easy targets for Russian disinfo

It's so banal. But it's the truth. I know because I watched my former friends turn into people who intentionally spread COVID, to "show up the hoax"

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Personally? I got a little older, developed my sense of empathy more and stopped associating with libertarians.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 38 minutes ago* (last edited 17 minutes ago)

I got older, developed more empathy but especially during these times, I have more and more found myself drawn to civil libertarianism. I don't want an authoritarian government regardless of who's in charge. The people (not corporations) are supposed to control the government, not be controlled by the government.

Government involvement in people's personal lives should be minimized when possible, but the entire point of having a government is supposed to be to protect and serve the people. Except for some dumb fucking reason, we let the supreme court decide that corporations are people.

I think if we have any chance of surviving, we have to make overturning Citizens United a nonpartisan issue (which it should be and easily could be if all the propaganda and disinformation around it was removed).

T.L.D.R.:Government regulations should serve people and control corporations and technology, not the other way around. I do not buy that human focused (as in protections for the people, created by the people) regulations placed on corporations and technology are "inhibiting progress" any more than I would believe somebody telling me we need to start cutting brake lines in all vehicles bc they "inhibit speed."

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Turns out they were just projecting the whole time. Oops.

[–] FreeMindFreeAss@lemmy.world 11 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

They're keeping us separated by race. As long as it's "inner-city thugs" aka black people or latinos, the majority of rural America can handle it until it's too late especially if they only consumer curated propaganda. Well, that's what they hope. the people in charge of this are actually pretty fucking stupid though. Let's show them how wrong they are.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Started with immigrants, definitely moving towards targeting people in inner cities to test the waters, then based on that recent memo next is "Antifa" or anyone opposed to the Trump admin.

People still refusing to see this are in for a hell of surprise when they wake up to a swat team raiding their suburban and rural homes, and find out wanting the Epstein files released means you're also an official member of Antifa.

[–] FreeMindFreeAss@lemmy.world 7 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

I'm an eternal optimist as long as I can breathe air and feel love. I think they're moving too fast. I think they've crossed their Rubicon and what's waiting in Rome isn't what they think it will be.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I’m an eternal optimist

Yikes, how does that happen?

[–] FreeMindFreeAss@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Haahaha to be honest, psychedelics and a near-death experience. All I know, is that whatever happens after death (which appears to be a lot, a lot more than what happens here) as long as I can keep my soul as clean as possible, the physical comings and goings of this place are very transient. Spreading love when I can brings it back and then I can share it again. The poorest people have nothing but money.

Prolly it's a defense mechanism too because of how fucked things are, but I have felt and seen far too much love and beauty to allow myself to be defeated by the biggest losers on the planet. Fuck that, life rocks. They can eat shit, I'm gonna rave my way to the apocalypse if that's where we're goin. And if it doesn't, we don't need to wait that long for the end, so what's the worry either way?

But the psychedelics and MDMa were the keys tbh, would have been harder to get there otherwise.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Man, I hope you are right. They sure as hell have been moving very fast.

[–] FreeMindFreeAss@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

They are, I'm a pretty good judge of people A lot of them seem fine-tuned to the legal system in the same way that an ant is fine tuned to move sand. They don't seem to have a lot of instinct as to human relations, and there are 330 million of us to relate to. We can't take it forever. And I believe they think that we can. I grew up redneck as possible. My family and old friend group are getting pissed. that is a fucking pterodactyl in the coalmine if you knew those guys.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

My great-grandfather would lose his shit if someone had told him that feds would be invading states against the wishes of the local governments.

Ah yes, I recall that sentiment very common to the 1860s in certain sub-Mason Dixon line states. Also popular in the 1950s after Brown v Board.

Unfortunately, the times have changed and the Neo-Confederates are the ones running DC now.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Putting out a giant rat trap and labeling it a "rat free zone, no rats allowed".

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

What? They're so refreshing!

[–] BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 hour ago

You have it wrong, it's actually ICE, a common acronym for "Internal Combustion Engine". Chicago is trying to create more walkable spaces.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 49 points 8 hours ago

Amazing that demanding from the agencies to adhere to the rule of law makes some people really, really itchy.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 74 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (12 children)

States need to be putting out their own narratives and setting rules, not just letting the rump regime set the narrative ("Portland is burning to the ground!", "Chicago is a war zone, the most dangerous city in the world!" etc). They should use their own messaging. And states should band together to take a stand.

Here's an example of the type of propaganda and tactics that Governors, mayors, etc. should use:

"Gangs of masked criminals are running rampant, impersonating ICE officers to commit crimes against defenseless civilians, who don't know who to believe! [give an example or two]. This cannot stand--we must have law and order!

Therefore I have signed an order that our City Police (our National Guard may be called to help them if necessary) will arrest anyone who cannot show that they are an ICE or law enforcement agent. To distinguish them from the criminal gangs, Agents must wear badges in plain view to identify themselves and are prohibited from wearing masks that hide their faces. They must show valid warrants and provide their badge numbers when asked.

Anyone who cannot show they are a legal agent and acts violently toward or violates the rights of civilians may be assumed to be a criminal and be arrested. Furthermore, citizens may protect themselves or others in self-defense. If you are an ICE agent and don't display your badge, you have only yourself to blame if anyone assumes you are one of these criminal gang members and acts accordingly.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Aren't there thousands of well trained park rangers that need something to do & might have a bit of an axe to grind?

I know where I live they already meet all the requirements for state law enforcement. Deputize them. Have them show up anywhere ICE is, 100-200 deep. Demand to see their law enforcement credentials, every time. If they refuse, arrest them.

If they get violent, "pacify" them.

[–] nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

please accept this Lemmy Gold

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 70 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

Seeing what is happening reminds me of Eisenhower seeing the concentration camps for the first time and immediately calling for the media to photograph everything and for members of congress to view the atrocities in person. He knew that there might come a day when the world wanted to pretend that it never happened and insisted that there be enough evidence that there was no way anyone could deny the holocaust.

It was the greatest act by a president (in my opinion) before he even became the president.

The lesson being, everyone in these cities need to be recording everything, so that when the blatantly criminal administration and its enablers are finally held to legal account (and they will), there can be no denying what they attempted to do in America in 2025.

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[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 17 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

So will Chicago PS arrest ICE agents who enter these premises? Because so far the law has not been an obstacle to Trump.

[–] potpotato@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Per the article: “According to the mayor, while federal agents in violation of the order would not be arrested by Chicago police, the city will take the federal government to court if necessary.”

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