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[–] boogiebored@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

Lol it's been great getting off of Windows over the last few months.

I thought I would miss it, but Proton in Steam has been amazing on Ubuntu, with some exceptions (Stupid EA crap from skate. 2025).

Dual booting for now is OK, but gaming is pretty garbage anyway, so I will probably abandon Windows entirely soon. Definitely my last version of it. Feel so liberated having hobbies off computer anyway, and now using my computers with Ubuntu is actually enjoyable again instead of driving an expensive spy machine.

:)

[–] FreeMindFreeAss@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

Linux, your time has finally come

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Well I paid for what I have, and no one is allowed to rob me of what I pay for so I'm good. Sorry Microsoft you don't get to rob people any more than the rest of us. All it does is send people elsewhere.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 23 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I am horrified by what computers have become, from expensive magical tools to solve real problems, to ubiquitous shit-shoveling malware appliances controlled by some of the worst elements of society.

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 7 points 55 minutes ago

to ubiquitous shit-shoveling malware appliances controlled by some of the worst elements of society.

Hmmm, I wonder which background economical system we all live in that could explain why every single technology ends up controlled by the top 1% to make our lives more miserable and their profits higher...

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Those kinds of computers still exist, it's called Linux.

[–] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I've never been more appreciative than I am now of the decades of effort that have gone into building this free and open-source operating system.

Imagine if we were here in 2025, with all the incumbent operating systems going to shit, but in a world where Linux didn't exist and there was no alternative that wasn't owned by a tech giant.

I don't even want to imagine.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 2 points 30 minutes ago (2 children)

The alternative alternative existed before Linux and still exists today: BSD

In a world without Linus Torvalds, all those people who have devoted time and effort into Linux might well have found themselves working / hobbying in the BSD ecosystems instead.

I think it's almost certain that Linux's niche would have been taken by it. It worked for Apple, after all.

Or, who knows, maybe GNU Hurd might have become viable.

[–] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 minutes ago

Sure, if it wasn't Linux then another project may have got the love and attention.

I'm not glad it was Linux specifically, just glad there is a credible FOSS alternative of some kind, and in our universe that's Linux.

You might think there's no such world where we wouldn't have had some credible alternative, and as reasonable as that is - because freedom and independence are things people intrinsically want - I'm sure if you flap the butterfly wings enough times there'd be a universe where we all just collectively decided that commercial operating systems were the answer.

Glad I don't live there.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 1 points 15 minutes ago

I find this alternate timeline incredibly likely. I had a friend in college who was all about SCO Unix back before they went evil, even when Slackware was the go-to distro. We would have a lot more BSD forks out here now, although NextStep (and maybe even OSX) would probably still emerge as one of the better commercial ones.

As an aside: what I find amusing is that Homebrew is basically BSD Ports, served from a git repo. In 2025, it's a completely insane way to ship OS software to a single platform, but it does work.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 2 points 2 hours ago

Where's the regulation that prevents this? Appalling.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 29 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

This "subscription" mentality is ruining value for a lot of society but, holy shit, do you ever rake in those huge amounts of monthly cash, for very little work.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 4 hours ago

It's not our mentality, it's their strategy.

Wars breed new strategies.

Sometimes it's free trade as a carrot and embargo as a stick, like with, well, one can try to nail it to Napoleonic wars, but as old as life. Sometimes it's mass production and standardization and ergonomics and scientific industrial design, one can try to nail these to WWII, but also as old as life. And sometimes it's controlled escalation as a way to reach your goals without triggering nuclear response, which one can nail to the Cold War.

American strategy of the Cold War is being used against world markets, ladies and gentlemen. Together with the previous two strategies mentioned.

The Soviet one was the opposite, to try to make even the smallest transgression cause firmly the same response, so that controlled escalation wouldn't work, but unfortunately one is founded in human psychology (plus game theory) and the other in rational knowledge (just game theory), the latter always loses. It was called scientific-technical revolution and meant literally its name - instead of gradual escalation, which favors the stronger side, you should create technical means to punch a fatal wound, nothing gradual.

So - the subscriptions themselves matter very little, they are just slowly transitioning everything big to dependence upon remote components available over the Internet.

It's funny, actually, so much gradual work, and in the end it'll be just wasted time - even making computers is not magic. State of the art processes could as well be that for most of humanity, but for many purposes Pentium MMX is a good enough computer, and such are not magic.

And especially making computer software of the kind that's being "metropolized" like this is not magic. Most of it is complex simply because of legacy, backwards compatibility and as a barrier for competitors making alternative implementations.

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 6 hours ago

I am never abandoning you, Linux

[–] richardmtanguay@lemmy.zip 45 points 13 hours ago (6 children)

I will be switching to Linux once my laptop is obsolete!!! I will only be getting Linux stuff from there on in!!! :-)

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 hours ago

You're going to immediately wonder why you waited so long.

[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 25 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Why wait? Linux Mint will run the shit out of your laptop right now.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 12 points 7 hours ago

Not OP, but I have to keep one Windows PC around. My favorite mod for my favorite 20 year old 4x game will not run on Linux, even though the game itself will.

The rest of my PCs are running either Mint or Xubuntu.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago

I'm waiting for actual fire to start in my laptop before switching. I've had to do so many tricks to keep Win 7 going that I'm invested in keeping this thing going as long as possible. Plus all my porn is on it.

[–] atmorous@lemmy.world 10 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Try Pop OS Cosmic (Like MacOS) and Linux Mint Cinnamon (Like Windows) they are both amazing. They are both customizable to look however you want too

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 2 points 5 hours ago

Im running cosmic desktop on arch, its actually very good! I have enabled automatic tiling of windows and its just super convenient. Like a tiling window manager but with all the stuff most people want built-in (top bar, notifications, screenshots, screen sharing etc).

You cant customize it as much as a real tiling window manager but if all you want is for your windows to tile, its awesome.

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 15 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I can add that in my experience, switching to Linux tends to have a positive impact on performance and keep the laptop usable for longer, I highly recommend you try it with your current laptop.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 hours ago

I've got machines that are obsolete for even Windows 10 that run Linux just fine. The best time to start is now.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 14 points 13 hours ago

If you have a drive where you can back up your stuff before installing a new OS, there's no need to wait.

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I despise that I have to use this OS at work. I would never run windows on my own computer again. Its just insanity. Next they'll require a credit card to make a Microsoft account.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 23 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

I could see them requiring government-issued ID. The age verification laws coming into effect in various states and countries make this a logical step for Microsoft. They might even start their own age verification service where you give them your ID and they vouch for your age with the sites you visit in Edge. Of course it would have the totally accidental side effect that everything you do on your computer could be monitored and legally tied to your identity.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The only thing you should give Microsoft is the finger.

The bird bird bird, the bird is the word.

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[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 14 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

I installed windows 11 a dozen time at work (never at home) and I just click on "domain login", it just creates a local account and then after the install I have to manually join the domain. No Microsoft account enforcement at all.

It's regular Windows 11, not Enterprise, we are a small company.

But I'm wondering, this bypass is too easy, is it because it sees that the DNS server is also an active directory server, so it allows that, or the trick is that you tell him you want to join a domain?

Or maybe it's a domain enrollment bug because we're using samba 4 under Debian as active directory server and not Windows server/entra id/whatever they call it this month?

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 18 points 6 hours ago

I just click on “domain login”

It’s regular Windows 11, not Enterprise

You need to have 11 Pro or better to domain join a computer.

Your computer would also need to be joined to your domain to allow the login, so there is definitely some config going on that is not available to the typical home user.

[–] purplemonkeymad@programming.dev 13 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think they ever said they plan to require it for Windows Pro or above skus. It's only home (you know the one business shouldn't be using anyway) that they said they wanted to enforce it on.

[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 hours ago

They actually did a lot of mess with Pro as well. There has been a "watering down" of Pro since Windows 10 to make sure that they can still do their anticonsumer crap to users. I imagine they also are trying to push businesses to get Enterprise instead of picking up relatively easy/inexpensive Pro licenses.

[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 67 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

"It would bypass critical steps..."

Which step is that, data collection? Shoving OneDrive down my throat by putting my Desktop in it with no way to easily remove it?

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 15 points 12 hours ago

collecting data, and training AI of course.

[–] ardi60@reddthat.com 133 points 19 hours ago (20 children)

Here's your bypass:

In OOBE, go through MS account creation. Tell it you were born today. It'll let you set a password for the MS account before rejecting you due to COPA requirements. At this point, you can make an offline account without having even created an MS account, let alone having to use one.

This will not go away - it's a legal thing. MS doesn't want to deal with COPA stuff for very young kids, so this flow exists. Enjoy.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

My go to is to pop open the console and run "ipconfig /release" right before you create an account. Win 11 will have you set up a local account if you don't have a network connection.

[–] StopSpazzing@lemmy.world 1 points 29 minutes ago

Doesnt work on these newest versions anymore.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 11 points 11 hours ago

Back in my day, we had to make ourselves looks older online to get things, not younger! hehe

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