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Trolls & bots fail to understand or accept that Russia is anything but infinite and inevitable - but numbers are numbers. They've spent half of their entire Soviet inheritance to steal what they sit on today. The war doesn't end when they get to zero vehicles. The half they've squandered is surely the BETTER half, and they still need an army for territorial defense and internal repression. Ukraine is not about the break, and this is probably the best position Russia is ever going to be in. This is the endgame of this messy, abusive Divorce, and Pootz has to come up with some whopper lies to say it was all worthwhile.

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 24 points 1 day ago (3 children)

What if they visit the middle aisle of Aldi though?

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 points 12 hours ago

They might find some of Aldi's nuts.

[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 17 hours ago

With the immense power contained within the kid's activity books, seasonal candle holder, and random baking sheets they find, Russia will be unstoppable!

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 11 points 1 day ago

Don't worry, we've left some diving fins and an electric scooter as decoys while we relocate most of the strategically useful inventory to Lidl

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Russia will likely have more time than we expect. North Korea are proving to be more helpful than expected and have tons of old Soviet era hardware that they would be willing to sell in exchange for some more rocket tech or nuke stuff.

China would also likely be selling their old Soviet era hardware they might still have kicking around. A lot of countries around the world see Putin as desperate and rich so they will be happy to make some money selling older hardware back to the country that made it. Putin likely sees this as fine since the hardware works with the existing forces.

But the money and favors aren't infinite. Putin is still dying of old age and disease. It's a long road but Ukraine is destined to succeed.

[–] Tuuktuuk@piefed.ee 39 points 1 day ago

The Russia won't run out of military equipment anytime soon. The most important reason to destroy it is that it's expensive to replace. And when it comes to air defence radars, also not really all that possible to replace.

What brings the war to end is economy. The Russia's economy won't survive very long anymore, and once the state is bankrupt, it no longer can pay the high salaries to its soldiers. Since the soldiers are in it almost exclusively for the money, that will mean there will no longer be new soldiers to replace the losses.

The Russia can of course print more money, but that will cause inflation, meaning that the soldiers' salaries need to be raised more, which increases the need to print more money, which... :)

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

North Korea are proving to be more helpful than expected and have tons of old Soviet era hardware that they would be willing to sell in exchange for some more rocket tech or nuke stuff.

According to Wikipedia the Soviet era tanks NK has is a few thousand T-55s and some T-62Ms. The T-62 varients are likely good enough to use on the battlefield, but the T-55s may not even be worth the fuel it takes to transport them. Remember Russia was fielding some T-55s not by using them as tanks, but by filling them with explosives and sending them uncrewed against Ukainian lines as bombs-with-tracks.

NK also has a bunch of 60 and 70s era Chinese tanks, but China may object to actual Chinese military hardware fighting in Ukraine.

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Every single one of the tanks you just mentioned are so painfully obsolete when fighting against Ukraine which has good reconnaisance and artillery that it is actually probably hurting Russian soldiers chance of survival to see these tanks in action and believe they bring any kind of safety or strength to them.

Of course NK and China can keep providing equipment, I think in some sense neither nation will let Russia catastrophically lose it will just be that more and more of Russia will be sold off wholesale to the elite in NK and China in one way or another in exchange for them doing whatever is necessary to ensure Russia doesn't entirely collapse militarily in the middle of an offensive.

This kind of support is not anywhere near as useful as domestic capability though, just ask Ukraine about that... There are limitations, stipulations, logistical nightmares full of foreign equipment headaches, and at the end of the day the equipment China and especially NK are able to provide just isn't that comparatively effective and it especially isn't any more survivable than the trash armor that Russia uses so....

Yeah, Russia can continue this war for a long time, that is not in question, but the idea that Russia has this major stock of tanks they can wave a magic wand at to make suddenly relevant on the modern battlefield is a ridiculous one that just isn't supported by battlefield evidence or basic logic. They have a limited number of newer production tanks they have kept back from the frontlines because they stopped using them knowing how futile it was so shrugs.

Russia can take some of the obsolete older tanks and upgrade the turret, make it remote control, or sure they can load them up with explosives to use as a kamikaze tank but none of these uses of the tanks is actually an efficient use of them. The only consistent use these tanks would really have are as combat engineering rear backline bunker busters kept well away from intense frontlines and used to uproot machine gun nests that have been isolated and surrounded. However Russia can not even protect its anti-air, artillery or armor, there is no way it can protect obsolete siege equipment so yeah...

Russia ain't doing well, and I think Chinese and North Korean officials are probably pretty pissed that as much as they try to help Russia, Russia just simply degraded its military too far and threw away the lives of too many of its soliders carelessly to be recoverable to the degree it needs to be to even remotely have a chance of winning the Ukraine War. All China, North Korea and other foreign partners can do at this point is try to fill out whatever Russia is doing to make it look more intimidating in the hopes that it disguises the broken back of the Russian military.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 15 points 1 day ago

Russia have lost hundreds of T-62s in this war already but barely any T-54/55s, so it seems that Russia agrees that fielding the older ones isn't worthwhile. Or 55s are magically invincible, of course, but I know which version I think is more likely

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wonder… what has become of those who first gave Pootin the β€œtwo weeks” figure?

[–] TwinkleToes@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 day ago

Honestly - I think that's probably what anyone would say to a Mad King. They honestly probably thought that life is too good to screw it up - that he wouldn't actually invade and ruin the whole damn party. The intelligence services and siloviki (baron merchant oligarchs) were all fat, rich and controlled a huge, fairly rich country life a mafia. Why screw it all up? For the vanity of a wicked old perverted gangster ghoul.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 44 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They seem to have run out of tanks about a year ago. They of course have thousands left, but they now have to consider the risk that a tank might be destroyed today and thus not usable tomorrow. They still use tanks, and lose a few, but they no longer take risks with tanks without considering the costs and so they don't use nearly as many as they used to because they want to preserve those they have left.

We generally expect the same is happened to artillery about now, though we don't know exactly when. They get to choose how many they will risk.

[–] TwinkleToes@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 day ago

Whether they have run 'out' is moot. They've squandered their BEST, at any rate, and aren't bothering to use what remains, and that's kind of the point. Saying that it's 'half gone' is the same as saying it's ALL gone in the context of trying to conquer ukraine. You have to keep a fleet available for credible border defense, future offensive operations (which are now probably off the books) and internal oppression of your own population. And as you say - both in terms of armor and artillery - even if you have remaining stockpiles, you can't sustain this burn rate, and each piece you move forward is less effective that the one it replaced, both in terms of age, utility and the caliber of who's left operating it.

Capabilties degrade when you piss away your army in a sunk cost fallacy revenge project.

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[–] Montreal_Metro@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

China if you are listening...

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would honestly not be surprised. Invading a collapsing Russia might well be easier, then invading Taiwan and China has claims of the Russian Far East.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 14 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Why invade in this day and age when they are already taking through economic vassalage? China isn't dumb. They're playing the long game.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 4 points 19 hours ago

There are currently billions of frozen assets in the West and also oil and gas pipelines to Europe. With a peace deal, it would be possible to restart the sale of oil and gas and maybe even get the money. Even if they have to give it to Ukraine, that would be less of a problem, as they do not control it anyway. Especially if Putin gets couped, this might well leave Russia as part of the EU sphere of influence, which would give them the option to move soldiers 1000km from Bejing.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world -4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Guys just one more year

I swear Russia is gonna collapse this time

[–] Tuuktuuk@piefed.ee 14 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

What do you mean "this time"? As compared to 1998? Or 1991?

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world -1 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I mean every 3 months for the last 4 years there's a new news story about how Russia is on the brink of collapse.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 11 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

for the last 4 years

The war is not 4 years old yet, and in the beginning everybody knew Russia could endure a long time, because Putin had prepared for it. In the first year at least, most actually thought Russia would win.

I mean every 3 months ~~for the last 4 years~~ there’s a new news story about how Russia is on the brink of collapse.

It's because they are, and it's getting ever more evident that they are.
But a country doesn't just go belly up in a couple of months. Especially not a huge country with a solid energy infrastructure.
But even the energy is not so solid anymore.

They have problems all over the place, they've had deficits for 3 years now, but that was initially helped by the war chest Putin had saved up to withstand sanctions.
Now money is so low they can't pay pensioners, and the crisis is about as bad as when the communist regime collapsed.
Workers in whole industries have reduced work hours and are only paid less than half of what they used to.
Russia has high inflation and consumer prices are increasing while wages are declining. On top of that Russia has just increased sales tax, so goods are getting even more expensive.
Bus companies now demand the administration allow 80% higher prices for tickets, because cost are going up, and passenger numbers are going down due to the economic decline. Such a demand is quite dangerous, that's what get people to fall out of windows!!
Fuel shortages are so bad in some areas that businesses are grinding to a halt, because they can't deliver goods, and they can't receive goods. Because transportation by truck has slowed down dramatically.
People can't buy gasoline to go to work, and they can't take the bus instead, because many places busses aren't driving either.

It's impossible to say how long Russia can keep it up, because it depends on the population.
But obviously people always try to find a way to make things work, but the decline for Russia is obvious. and they will break at some point.
My guess has been that it will be this winter since the start of the year, because that's when the real impact of the predicted failed harvest of mostly everything will begin to show for real.

I may be wrong, it may take longer, again it depends on when the population has had enough, because I don't think Putin can see a way back to peace, and admit it was all for nothing, that would probably get him killed, but so will continuing this war, but that will be later, and for Putin later is obviously better.

[–] drhodl@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

So how do you feel about all the failed ruzzian stories, that Ukraine is about to collapse. Come to think of it, Donny 2 Inches had some of those same fail stories. So what say you, about those, Yuri ?

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world -4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

I think war propaganda is cringe, and the idiots who deepthroat it should be laughed at.

And that thought has nothing to do with whichever side you are on.

Like I don't understand half of what you just wrote, this obsession has cooked your brain.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Donny 2 inches is Donald Trump, the 2 inches is a reference to his dick.
Not knowing that really shows you are completely out of the loop.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world -2 points 11 hours ago

Oh, that's from the Stormy Daniels thing from a decade ago?

Regular people don't obsess over this kind of shit.

I'm blocking you now

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I think war propaganda is cringe, and the idiots who deepthroat it should be laughed at.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Are you saying something about this space possibly being a source of mindless war propaganda?

Why can't anyone here talk like a normal person?

[–] drhodl@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Like I don’t understand half of what you just wrote, I am sorry that you are simple. Once you accept that, you should realize your other takes are simple too, Yuri. Probably, your mother should have stayed off the radiator coolant vodka until AFTER she birthed you.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

You need an empty line after a quote.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world -1 points 11 hours ago

Who the fuck is yuri?

Are we just calling each other names now?

Ok incel have fun fapping to dead soldiers or whatever you paint eaters do here.

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