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[–] JandroDelSol@lemmy.world 84 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I mean, if you aren't counting your calories and eating in a deficit, you're not going to lose weight.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 week ago (38 children)

Research shows that small amounts of physical fitness during the day can be just as beneficial as a full workout

A 2019 review of 19 studies looked at this question, involving more than 1,000 participants. It found multiple, shorter “chunks” of exercise in a day improved heart and lung fitness and blood pressure as much as doing one longer session.

And there was some evidence these chunks actually led to more weight loss and lower cholesterol.

https://studyfinds.org/can-you-microdose-exercise/

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[–] sundray@lemmus.org 21 points 1 week ago (6 children)

LOL, I'm 5'2" and hover around 100 lbs, and I've had trouble gaining weight my whole life. Eating more doesn't seem to help much. But I have noticed the more I eat, the more I shit. Perhaps that's where all my calories are going 😭 .

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

the more I shit

I mean that's still 'calories out' if you're not actually absorbing them. Guessing you've already done this if it's been a life long thing, but just in case, you might want to hit up a gastrointestinal doctor - there are conditions that cause usable nutrients to literally just go through you. You may have one of those - and if yes, knowing which will give you a path to fixing it or working around it.

Then again, 5'2 at 100 lb is only just a hair into the underweight range. If you feel good where you're at, maybe fuck it.

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[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Yup, I was doing keto for over a year to lose weight. Got to a healthy weight, stayed there for 3 months, and decided I wanted to gain weight to help build muscle. Put on 20 pounds while still being on keto. Then lost weight again to look leaner. It's all calories in, calories out. However some people find certain diet types to be easier and preferable to others.

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[–] ignoble_stigmas@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Not fat, ideal body form, I’d even say: superior

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

a seal abs and muscles were built, because they swim all the time. they can hold thier breath for 30minutes, i think some others can hold longer. the southern elephant seal holds the record at 2hours.

another fun fact is when seals/sea lions deep dive they it automatically shuts down thier digestive system. also seals can survive on thier blubbler and fat for quite a long time too. they have mechanisms that allow them to extact alot of oxygen into thier tissues, blood.

seals are quite fast in the water, seal lions even faster. seals do have trouble on land, as the have to act like a caterpillar, while sea lions can walk and run/

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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Same reason chimps are built like trucks without having to train a lick. Superior genetics baby.

[–] Carnelian@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (20 children)

I was looking into that recently, specifically gorillas, just because it’s such a common sentiment that humans have to work so hard and eat so particularly to build muscle but gorillas are naturally jacked.

It turns out they have a lot going for them in that regard

So first of all they low key do actually strength train. They use their strength to break and process vegetation. These dudes will straight up rip a tree apart with their bare hands. It’s pretty crazy. It’s also how they spend most of their time.

Like they literally wake up at 6am, do a crazy workout, eat a ton, take a nap, then do another crazy workout, eat another ton, then go to bed. Every day. It's basically the same routine Arnold ran when training for the olympia.

The other thing that comes up is how they mostly eat plants but humans need tons of protein. This part is the most fascinating to me.

So humans have a concept of “essential amino acids (essential proteins)”. There’s like over 500 aminos in general, and for the most part if we need one for any particular bodily function, our bodies can just make them out of whatever. EDIT: this has caused some confusion further down, apologies. As I explained to another user I wanted to be selective about the depth of every specific biological mechanism for the sake of brevity. However I should mention the aminos are not created out of thin air, but through the breakdown of other proteins consumed in the diet. The exceptions are these 9 particular aminos which we require, but cannot create ourselves, so we have to get them directly from our diets.

Humans also have relatively pathetic digestive systems. There’s an entire large category of plant matter we consume that we simply cannot process, and it passes through us. We call this material “fiber”, and it’s still very important for us to eat, but nonetheless it is simply not broken down into energy or other building blocks.

Gorillas do not suffer from either of these limitations. Their bodies can produce all necessary amino acids, and they can break down fiber.

So with all this, when you look at their diet as a whole, (which is about 40lbs per day of plants, and keeping in mind the plants are simply more nutritive to them biologically, and their neutrality towards the specific amino profile of their food), when you crunch the math, they actually end up eating slightly higher than the daily protein value recommended for high level human bodybuilders.

That coincidence totally blew my mind. Like we’re so closely related and require the same basic conditions for muscle growth, but achieve it in such parallel yet unrelated ways. Totally awe inspiring

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[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Atkat@leminal.space 28 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Muscles don't keep you warm in freezing ocean water! Blubber does that.

...Man I wish I had a bulletproof excuse like that.

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[–] farting_gorilla@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I thought this was interesting, TLDW is that exercising in cold (water/environment) increases appetite after, so it's not great for a person that's trying to lose weight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV88178zjDQ

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'll fall back on my default null hypotheses here.

  1. The effect is probably minimal if it exists at all.
  2. If there is any effect, it is probably negligible if you are doing the big things right.
  3. Your body is smart, and responds to changes in its environment with an eye towards improved survival and fitness. It is not a simple CICO machine.

So suppose we have an overweight person who is trying to lose weight. They hear about cold water exposure, and how being cold burns more calories. So they start running 10 miles every day at 5 am wearing nothing but a t shirt and shorts in the middle of winter. Then they go to starbucks, buy some hfcs with a touch of coffee, and go work at their office job that they hate because capitalism or something. Almost certainly, this person's jounts would start to give out quite quickly, but let's say they hate themselves enough to keep at it all winter. At the end of winter, I would be unsurprised if they gained weight. Sure, they exercised in the cold - but more importantly they were over training, consuming a poor diet, and living an otherwise stressful life. One of the body's best defences against coming hard times is to store calories for future use - by increasing appetite, decreasing subconscious calorie burning, and shunting resources towards fat storage rather than, say, growth and maintenance of muscle, skin, hair, etc.

On the other hand, suppose we have the same individual. They start with the premise that their body is already great, but they would like it to be better, and the way they will achieve this is via having fun and living well. Thus, their fat loss program consists of learning how to ice skate at the town park after work, going snowshoing on the weekends with their local hiking group, adopting a journalling routine before bedtime, and frequently inviting friends over for dinner parties where they make sure the emphasis of the meal is on protein and vegetables. They also open up to friends about how they aren't really motivated in their job, and their network of friends helps them gain the skills and industry contacts necessary to get a job that is more to their liking where they get to do interesting and meaningful work with other people whose company they enjoy. At the end of the winter, I would expect this individual to have lost fat despite exercising in the cold. While fat is good for energy storage and insulation, hiking and ice skating are activities where the body generally benefits from having a lower bodyweight - and warmth can be achieved via increased muscle activation rather than fat insulation. Meanwhile, they were spending a lot of time in beautiful natural environments, interacting with people they liked, eating healthy food, sleeping well, and working towards improving their lives in all aspects. "Things are good and I can expect them to get better" is the antithesis of the doom and gloom stress that will likely drive weight gain. Instead, the body will think "the present is not bad, and the future looks easy - and meanwhile, this extra weight is hindering my ability to move easily. May as well get rid of it."

This is why we find hot people hot. In the past when calories were scarce, a high bodyfat percentage indicated that in the hard times you were living in, this person had access to a lot of calories, and you could expect this trend to continue. These days, life is relatively easy, and storing excess calories is an indication that a person finds life to be hard. A lithe person's body indicates that they have rarely experienced difficulties beyond their abilities, and that they generally live a happy life. This is a good indication of genetic fitness, and hence, they are hot. Same reason why having good skin, healthy hair, a cheerful and outgoing demeanor, and perky tits are hot - they indicate a prolonged state of positive life circumstances which potential mates could generally count on to continue.

[–] farting_gorilla@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I'll fall back on my default null hypotheses here.
The effect is probably minimal if it exists at all. If there is any effect, it is probably negligible if you are doing the big things right. Your body is smart, and responds to changes in its environment with an eye towards improved survival and fitness. It is not a simple CICO machine.

you could hypothesize and these rambling thought experiments...or you could watch the video, and see there are several studies saying the effect exists and isn't minimal

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 week ago (10 children)

All of the anti-carb diets are a joke. Carbs are fucking great.

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Carbs are a great delivery mechanism for calories. So good, in fact, that the caveman part of your brain really insists on eating as much of them as you possibly can. Some people have problems getting the caveman part of their brain to shut the fuck up and consequently they eat too many carbs. They do that for so long that that end up having a foot amputated and die young of kidney failure.

Empty carbs, the carbs most people think of as carbs, are a terrible source of nutrition and are the primary reason most people are fat. Bread, skinned potatoes, pasta, corn, and sugar. That kind of shit. You know, the delicious carbs. The carbs that the caveman part of your brain really insists you eat more of. Cutting those from the diet helps regulate hunger for people who are calorie counting.

You can get 100% of your daily carbohydrate needs from green vegetables. You can do that pretty easily because you don't actually need that many carbs.

That said, if you have a healthy relationship with food, are at a healthy weight, and your bloodwork doesn't show any signs of metabolic syndrome or heart disease, keep on keeping on. Congratulations, you can eat whatever you want. Just understand that being adult, especially an adult in the US, that can tick all of those boxes is pretty rare and other people do have issues they're trying to correct, and have to keep an eye on their diet. Generally, that means cutting out the fun carbs even if they're not doing keto.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net -3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It would be a lot more accurate if you edited your comment so that every instance of "carbs" was replaced with "calories". Cave-people had no way of knowing what any of the nutrients were in the foods they ate. Their enemy was starvation. Ours is the opposite, and all sources of calories contribute to weight gain. Sugars, fats, and salt are considered the three main villains in highly processed food addiction, not sugar alone. What you're describing is known as the toxic food environment.

I worked as a pharmacy tech for a while, in a grocery store. My pharmacist had informed me that pharmacies, at least the ones in grocery stores, generally operate at a loss. So why keep them? I don't know if there are any tax benefits of kickbacks, but what is known is that the regulars at the pharmacy were spending twice as much on groceries as everyone else. What were the lion's share of medications in the pharmacy? Various heart disease and high blood pressure meds, stuff for diabetes, and various forms of ozempic-type meds. There were other things too of course, but you can see this pretty clear picture of, as before, a toxic food environment gently manipulating everyone into eating all the hyper-palatable foods that are making them sick, and then needing to get prescriptions for medications in the pharmacy at the same store where they are buying all of the things that are poisoning them into needing those meds in the first place. It's pretty disgusting right?

But again, it's not just carbs. If you look at the various sugar diets - those will actually cause rapid weight loss. They're terrible diets, don't do them, but they will result in probably even more short-term weight loss than keto. Neither are sustainable, see my comment here for more on keto. In short, keto is absolutely garbage and should be avoided.

I do not eat whatever I want, nor am I young. When I was 30, one of my family members had died of a heart attack at the age of 46. I was already working on shifting to a more vegan lifestyle after seeing one of those documentaries that showed what factory farms are like, but seeing a loved one die at such a young age and such a close age to where I was at the time added urgency in learning more about the nutritional side of things, which is what led to my following a generally whole-food plant-based diet. Easily one of the best decisions I have ever made in my entire life.

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm going to believe metabolic doctors on this. No offense but a pharmacy tech, even a pharmacist, is not a metabolic doctor.

It would be a lot more accurate if you edited your comment so that every instance of "carbs" was replaced with "calories".

This is factually false. Not all sources of calories are equal. It's sugars that cause the "must have more" reaction in your brain. Fats and proteins do not do this.

Sugars in this case can come from a grape, a piece of candy, a bit of bread or pasta. Complex carbohydrates do this. They not only make you want more but cause a reaction in your body that prevents you from stopping even when you're outrageously full.

Again, if you're a healthy adult with a good relationship with food I'm happy for you. That's not most people. You are not a doctor, you should not be attempting to stand in the way of people finding a healthy diet because you have baseless opinions on carbohydrates.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net -1 points 6 days ago

My role as a pharmacy tech had nothing to do with the validity of any statements regarding nutrition, nor were they meant to. It was simply an anecdote to emphasize the insidious nature of our toxic food environment. Also, while credentials matter, that's also a genetic fallacy. The strength of a claim rests solely on the evidence to back it up.

I can't speak for protein, but sugars, fats, and salts have all been shown to be addicting. It's not just sugar. Also, that grape has fiber and phytonutrients, that's actually a good source of carbs. Literally just a few nights ago I was snacking on grapes and then stopped long before I finished the bag - because I felt full.

My opinions are mostly inline with the scientific consensus, which holds the overall Mediterranean dietary pattern as the gold standard of health and longevity - of which whole-food plant-based diets are usually inline with. Can you show any valid authority on nutrition who uses keto as the basis of their dietary guidelines?

[–] fracture@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

the presence or absence of carbs has a huge effect on whether or not fat and salt will make you diabetic or fat. keto works for that reason, and also for the satiation factor; fat is the most satiating macronutrient (although it's certainly possible this varies by individual; i would still challenge you to overeat on keto to the point you gained substantial weight - i thought i've been overeating for weeks and it turns out i've lost 5 lbs 💀)

as with any diet, your health depends on still getting all of the critical nutruents you need (protein minimums, fat minimums, specific amino acids, vitamins, minerals), and some of that requires more management on keto (sodium, potassium, and magnesium usually require supplementation, ime; fiber is a good call as well, depending on your intake of leafy greens)

your link about keto just links to... this post, it seems like, so i can't say anything in response to it. but keto is a sustainable and healthy long term diet. i have lived it for about 9 years. i would probably agree we have a toxic food environment (your guy was way too condescending and sarcastic for me to tolerate, sorry), but i would say keto is a very good diet for adapting in a healthy way to this toxic food environment

unfortunately, it would be difficult for me, personally, to follow an entirely plant based diet, partly based on satiety and partly because i'm allergic to soy. i also suspect i wouldn't tolerate plant based carbs much better than i tolerate other carbs, as someone who suspects he's been self-treating diabetes, possibly for a decade (rice and potatoes are plant based and they definitely still fuck me up lol)

additionally, i have concerns about your knowledge on the subject. satiety is a very important subject when it comes to food health, which we've discovered with recent studies and the advent of GLP-1s, and you don't mention it at all in your post (especially given, you do talk about meds in your post?), so i don't know if you really have all the knowledge you should when speaking on this subject. a pharmacy tech does not specialize in nutritional science (not that i do either, but i at least live and read about this shit)

finally, i will say that keto, while being a good diet you can do long term and healthily, is not for everyone. not everyone can survive the 2-4 week period of initially weaning yourself off carbs. that's totally understandable, and for those people, it would be better to focus on whole food, nutritious meals, exercise, and calorie management, along with the advice of a doctor and any medications they may need. a plant based/whole food based diet may also help, but has similar compliance requirements and probably issues that keto does

at least keto lets you have treats, as long as they're not carbohydrates lol

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

the presence or absence of carbs has a huge effect on whether or not fat and salt will make you diabetic or fat.

Prove it, show sources.

keto works for that reason, and also for the satiation factor; fat is the most satiating macronutrient

I don't think feeling sick is the same thing as satiety. And again, please prove that "fat is the most satiating." I want to see the science.

... and some of that requires more management on keto ...

At least you admit that people quite often experience deficiencies on keto, saves me the trouble of breaking out the studies. And yeah, regardless of which diet, the more fiber the better.

your link about keto just links to… this post

It linked to one of my earlier comments because I didn't feel like saying all the same stuff over again.

unfortunately, it would be difficult for me, personally, to follow an entirely plant based diet, partly based on satiety and partly because i’m allergic to soy.

Yeah soy is a pretty common allergy, and a lot of plant-based proteins are based on it. There are challenges there, but also a myriad of other plant-based protein sources. Getting used to plant-based diets is hard for nearly everyone at first, but it gets easier with practice and frankly starts to feel liberating in a lot of ways when adjusted to. Learning how to make seitan, for instance, opens up a lot of options. And regarding plant carb difficulties, I would suggest studying the Mastering Diabetes program which I linked to in that other comment. The single most important thing for diabetes treatment is weight loss and maintaining a healthy bodyweight. This is why virtually every diet tribe can make claims that their diet "cures" diabetes (type 2 that is), and it's because virtually any diet can result in weight loss for at least some people.

satiety is a very important subject when it comes to food health, which we’ve discovered with recent studies and the advent of GLP-1s, and you don’t mention it at all in your post

Not true, I talked about satiety in my other comment that I linked to. Whole-food plant-based diets are very satiating, and as I also said in that comment, vegans are consistently shown to have the lowest bodyweights of any dietary groups.

My comment about being a pharmacy tech was never intended to lend any credibility to my claims, it was just a personal anecdote to further highlight the insidious nature of our toxic food environment.

At any rate, here is another video from that "condescending and sarcastic guy." It's about naturally boosting glp-1 through diet. I would suggest not even watching it, and instead looking closely at all the scientific studies he cited.

And again to drive the point home, you cannot call a diet that increases all-cause mortality healthy.

"Interpretation: Both high and low percentages of carbohydrate diets were associated with increased mortality, with minimal risk observed at 50-55% carbohydrate intake. Low carbohydrate dietary patterns favouring animal-derived protein and fat sources, from sources such as lamb, beef, pork, and chicken, were associated with higher mortality, whereas those that favoured plant-derived protein and fat intake, from sources such as vegetables, nuts, peanut butter, and whole-grain breads, were associated with lower mortality, suggesting that the source of food notably modifies the association between carbohydrate intake and mortality."

[–] fracture@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 days ago

grilling me for sources when you link one study that doesn't even mention keto is crazy. and it's very hard to take you seriously when you keep linking a literal diet agency who profits off the exact narrative you're pushing, it would be a LOT better if you stuck to your arguments alone and didn't link them

(the presence or absence of carbs has a huge effect on whether or not fat and salt will make you diabetic or fat) so the foundational lecture about this is "sugar: the bitter truth" by robert lustig (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM). regrettably, it's a lecture which is 90 minutes long (and gets quite in the weeds with the biochem), so i'll summarize it for you (although it's a very good watch, he's both smart and a fantastic speaker):

  • he shows the the link between fructose and metabolic syndrome / the obesity epidemic (also a note that fructose does not suppress ghrelin, the hunger hormone)
  • he shows that the relationship between coronary heart disease and dietary fat only works with the presence of sucrose (the original study showing this didn't do the math correctly)
  • he shows that LDL is measured in two separate types, one which correlates with heart disease and one which doesn't. he shows that the bad type of LDL raises in relationship to carbs.

overall, the argument lustig makes is that the healthiest diets are either (in energy) all carb or all fat. so, you'll note that i'm not actually shit talking a (whole-foods*) plant-based diet. i think it's probably good and just sounds really miserable to be on (same with any carb-based diet); but, in my opinion, healthiness is just about finding the type of misery you can live with. it turns out my preferred misery is no carbs. if yours is no fats, or only plants, i'm not gonna stop you. good for you

in fact, i think it's significant to, here, point out that one could do vegetarian or vegan keto; and i don't think many people would argue with you that a plant-based keto is probably healthier than an animal-based keto. it's just really hard; and looking at the risks of metabolic syndrome that folks who typically go keto have to weigh (they have a typical profile of: not having good impulse control when eating, suffer from little satiation when eating high carb foods, tend to really enjoy junk food) - the animal-based keto wins out hugely as something that's both healthier and practically maintainable

you wanna go tell people on keto to eat more greens? please, be my guest. i'll join you

(fat is the most satiating macronutrient) honestly, this seemed like conventional wisdom to me. i didn't think we were going to argue about this- what's more satiating, a shot of heavy cream or literally any carb of comparable energy level? but i also think this probably varies by individual (please note my quote from my last post "although it’s certainly possible this varies by individual"); however, for the average person, i think it's probably difficult to overeat fats; and it's easy enough for the average person to overeat carbs. these are basically stereotypical truths lmao

anyways, this does appear to be a generally supported statement, even if my personal experience leads me to think it's probably still varies more by individual:

and a lot of it probably has to do with your statement:

I don’t think feeling sick is the same thing as satiety. LMAO which is so funny because i've eaten a lot of carbs and a lot of protein and i just do not feel full compared to when i get a good dose of fat. and if that doesn't do it for you, that's cool! do what works for you. it just so happens keto works for some people, too. i really wish you would allow for different people having different experiences in your arguments

At least you admit that people quite often experience deficiencies on keto, saves me the trouble of breaking out the studies. 😭 yeah salt management on keto is a pretty normal thing, it causes the phenomenon people often get when starting keto called "keto flu", which is caused by the loss in water weight that you get on keto (also where your body buffers salts), as well. just like on vegan diets, you often need to supplement protein, but i'm not out here putting you on blast for that shit LMAO

The single most important thing for diabetes treatment is weight loss and maintaining a healthy bodyweight. this is really funny because i'm not overweight. or, well, if you could 1.5 bmi out of the "healthy" range on the bmi scale? /shrug but i'm not like, obese like a lot of folks with diabetes are. i think i just ate like shit for too long as a teenager and ruined my ability to handle sugar. that didn't go away because i lost weight and stopped eating sugar (i know this because i went off keto for some time and gave myself a bunch of scary-as-shit diabetes symptoms 💀)

your all-risk mortality study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30122560/ 💀 💀 💀i run into this issue a lot when i'm trying to learn about keto, because i really don't like the definition most studies use for it. most studies claim that keto is something like ~40% carbohydrate energy in the diet; which, if you ask anyone who ACTUALLY does keto, they will tell you that is FUCKED. we're over here on like <10% from carbs, it is ALL fats and proteins. so i don't think think this represents keto folks very well; it doesn't include the diet demographics in any more detail than "carbohydrate amounts of <40%/50-55%/70%+", and given it was published in 2018 and followed people for 25 years, which was long before keto was really blew up, so i doubt anyone on keto is actually represented in here at all, or at best, a severe minority

i want to close out by saying that the choice you're framing here between "plant based diet" and "keto diet" isn't a real choice. the choice most people who go on keto are making is between "horrible shitty diet that will kill you" and "keto". plant-based, in itself, is a horribly unreliable guideline when even rice and potatoes can make you sick; there are plenty of processed "plant based" foods which are also just garbage. it's just not a guideline that will work for many people in the keto group

you can (kind of) make a stronger argument by saying "whole food plant based diet", but then you lose out a bunch of people who don't have time to cook or don't like plants very much; that, in combination with "rice and potatoes are still very sugary", means that you actually have to have quite a restricted diet on top of it being "plant based" to execute it correctly

this is not the case with keto. no carbs. that's it, that's the rule

unfortunately, the long term evidence that keto is safe or unsafe is hard to come by. it's not really been studied a lot; it's still relatively new and the populations that they would study tend to drop the diet due to non-compliance (i.e. they wanna eat carbs). so yeah, like, maybe it would be more accurate to say "we don't really know" rather than "it's safe" or "it's unsafe". i think it's fairly easy to say it's better, even long term, than the shitty diet we would otherwise be eating, so i still generally advocate for it. i don't think people should not do something that improves their overall health, just because it might be bad like 20-30+ years down the line. it will almost certainly be better than how they would get there otherwise

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I mean, I sure do like pizza and beer. But my personal experience is that low carb diets are awesome. I've done the keto diet probably about half a dozen times in my life, and (after ensuring my electrolytes stay balanced) it has consistently given me positive results.

I first tried it with the notion that fat and protienn were satiating, and therefore it would be easier to stick to a calorie deficit. Simple. I disregarded all the people who talked about "more mental energy" or whatever bullshit - I just wanted to lose fat. But the results blew me away.

Without counting calories and while eating lots of deliscious food, I lose fat basically without trying and get a six pack. My athletic performance isn't diminished, and my hunger levels drop noticeably. Hunger itself feels less important, and my emotions in general become more positive - I am more likely to feel happy and grateful and to fall into flow states, and setbacks and bad moods bother me far less. I fall asleep easier and sleep more soundly. My skin looks better. And these effects persist as long as I am on the diet - it isn't just "losing water weight" or whatever.

Why does it do this? I dunno. Just does. Typically I eat a diet with lots of veggies, beans, some meat, and the occasional pizza and beer night. But comparing a whole foods keto diet to a standard american diet of processed junk food, I'm gonna go ahead and say that keto will come out far ahead, and I'm not gonna let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Anecdotes are not evidence. Even from your own description it's untenable to pin down what your diet even is, other than, "whatever you feel like eating." In that sense it's virtually indistinguishable from the standard American diet itself. Here is an actual nutritional expert on keto:

Should you try the keto diet?

It's advertised as a weight-loss wonder, but this eating plan is actually a medical diet that comes with serious risks.

A ketogenic diet has numerous risks. Top of the list: it's high in saturated fat. McManus recommends that you keep saturated fats to no more than 7% of your daily calories because of the link to heart disease. And indeed, the keto diet is associated with an increase in "bad" LDL cholesterol, which is also linked to heart disease.

Other potential keto risks include these:

Nutrient deficiency. "If you're not eating a wide variety of vegetables, fruits, and grains, you may be at risk for deficiencies in micronutrients, including selenium, magnesium, phosphorus, and vitamins B and C," McManus says.

Liver problems. With so much fat to metabolize, the diet could make any existing liver conditions worse.

Kidney problems. The kidneys help metabolize protein, and McManus says the keto diet may overload them. (The current recommended intake for protein averages 46 grams per day for women, and 56 grams for men).

Constipation. The keto diet is low in fibrous foods like grains and legumes.

Fuzzy thinking and mood swings. The brain works best when the energy source is sugar from healthy carbohydrates to function. Low-carb diets may cause confusion and irritability.

Those risks add up — so make sure that you talk to a doctor and a registered dietitian before ever attempting a ketogenic diet.

Or better yet, just don't do it. It's a dumb fad diet that needs to die.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sure, the plural of anecdote isn't data. But the existance of anecdotes is what drives scientific inquiry.

Anyway, the last time I was on the keto diet, I came down with a serious illness and underwent a battery of blood tests - essentially everything came back as totally normal, and healthier than an average adult. Turns out I had rocky mt spotted fever.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net -1 points 6 days ago

Rocky mt spotted fever generally comes from ticks, right? You're lucky to be alive. Uhh, I don't know how to tell you this, but I don't know what I'm even getting from your comments other than them sounding like a lowkey cry for help. 🫣

[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I have diabetes and I have this guide to carbs and healthy eating. It’s 45-60g carbs per meal I think, and the portions are hilarious. It’s like 1/100th of a bagel or something.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 week ago

That's a pretty absurd amount of bagel to eat. XD

Here is a really good program for treatment of both type 1 and 2 diabetes. If you follow it you might actually be able to eat a whole bagel.

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[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They're really not, but not everyone needs them.

If you're bordering type 2 diabetes and carbs just make your blood sugar shoot up and crash down, reducing or eliminating carbs can get your shit back in check without medication, and make it much easier to reduce your calories (since you don't feel compelled to stuff your face again because of shaky hands)

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[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 week ago

I was shocked too.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That's right, they're Marines.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

IT'S AN UNHEALTHY LIFESTYLE! I'M ONLY MENTIONING YOUR WEIGHT BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT YOU!

Thank you, but I've been experimenting with a lot of different options and decided that this is...

YOU'RE GOING TO DIE BEFORE YOU TURN 60! WHAT WILL YOUR WIFE AND KIDS THINK?!!

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