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I love love love model collapse. It's the absolute perfect conclusion to our Internet and this AI bubble.

The make AI. They realize that we're not ready for it. But short term profits overlook any and all ethical concerns. So they business bro and release anyway, unleashing a flood of slop and garbage content. All of which is impossible to tell if it is human made or not. But the only way to make their business continue is to train new models, which needs more human created content, of which they already destroyed and made imperceivable from their slop.

It's honestly just pure poetic justice. The ones who are hiring the next generation of AI models are AI companies.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 92 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The internet I loved died like 15 years ago anyway. It got replaced by ads and misinformation bots and hatred.

[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hate to disagree but like this is the Internet and it’s pretty great and there are no ads and most of us are not bots and there’s a lot of love here

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Lemmy is an exception to the rule.

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I'm deeply jealous of people who experienced the early internet. For me it has always been like this.

I was there when people when people were sending around Goatse pics and all our info came from Alta Vista.

It was pretty sweet, apart from the prolapse.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 33 points 2 days ago (6 children)

My dude, YouTube used to not have ads

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The only time in my life I have ever seen ads on youtube is when I've watched videos on someone else's computer or through "smart" TVs.

I am genuinely shocked that anyone puts up with it. Then again, I get it, not everybody knows how to get around it, and, more importantly, they are working very hard and will succeed at eliminating the possibility to circumvent it.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 2 points 1 day ago

I learned if you report an ad for being offensive it cancels all the ads after as well as ending the current ad immediately. And it just takes an extra 2 seconds and 3 clicks. Works on smart tvs, phones, and my Xbox.

I don’t even feel like I’m lying because ads inherently are offensive to me.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's even worse - you can set it up for them, and one minor inconvenience later they're back to how they used it before, ads and all. A lot of people truly don't seem to care.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 27 points 2 days ago (4 children)

And Facebook used to just literally have your friends statuses show up on it and that was it. No ads or sponsored content.

But I’m also old enough to remember when getting somewhere involved using a map and asking for directions at gas stations.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Facebook was only glorious when it was made for college kids. The restricting of boomers and children was what made it great. It was the perfect app to boost/record the college experience.

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[–] snooggums@piefed.world 111 points 2 days ago (13 children)

I'm still baffled about the expected outcome of replacing all content creation with AI for new events or ideas, like news articles.

If there are no humans to write the story first, where are the bots going to get the new information to plagiarize?

[–] PoorYorick@lemmy.world 62 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

The expected outcome is internet collapse. The internet is a mass communication tool that allows bothersome peasants to organize and educate themselves if they are inclined to do so. Which means it must be destroyed.

The poor, disenfranchised, and uneducated are significantly easier to manipulate. So the goal of the 1% is to break society, eliminate the ability to educate, eliminate the ability to organize, and the use their near total control over mass media to assure everyone that they are better off under the thumb of the technocratic state.

[–] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago

It's wild that most people don't understand this is happening. And it's being manifested in a Mafia type way.

I honestly have no hope for society. People really are ignorant and arrogant to the point that they are basically like farm animals.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago

Yep. That about sums it up. It's a bit worse than that though, because they can also actively poison the AI and make it express more positive right wing sentiments too. For now that's still a bit tricky, because the AI goes mecha-Hitler, but don't worry, they will fix that glitch in the coming months.

It doesn't even matter if it does a poor job. I see people scrolling endlessly, 24/7, they're already zombified. The amount of people who can filter the bullshit or think critically about what they are fed online are in an extreme minority. It doesn't matter for the ruling class if there's some single digit percent of the population that don't buy it, fooling most people most of the time is absolutely enough to rule absolutely.

Anyone else inhabiting a very dark mindspace lately? We should start a club.

[–] flango@lemmy.eco.br 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's a good point. The internet collapse also helps this new age of " information capitalism" to spread even further: any information that you may seek will be behind a paywall or intermediate by an AI that you have to pay a subscription to access. In fact, that's the best case scenario for all these AI companies: to kill free and reliable information.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago

He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.

[–] hobovision@mander.xyz 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is not a conspiracy to destroy the internet. This is a tragedy of the commons. It doesn't take many bad agents to ruin it for everyone. AI slop is so cheap and has the potential to make profit, so it's a no brainer if you don't have a better way to make money.

The only reason the AI companies are crying is because now they need humans in the loop somehow. They'll need to source data from only known and verified real-person sources (like reputable news sites, magazines, personal blogs, and podcasts), manually verify data is not slop, and/or pay people to generate data for them.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago

Capitalism will kill civilization. We can't escape it. If we tear it down, we go down with it. If we don't, it will collapse under its own weight, and soon, and it will crush us all under the flaming rubble.

I know I sound all doomsday-y. Sorry.

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[–] plyth@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago

The incumbents have their training data that can also be used for the next generations of AI. This is just them helping others to pull up the ladder to avoid more competitors.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The open internet will become divided into verified websites, and the rest will be left for bots to fight on forever.

It will be used as an excuse by our governments to force a ID verification system tied to your real life person, refuse it and fight it in every possible way.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 days ago

Meanwhile we need enclaves of not corporate bullshit (like fedi but also) including bringing back webrings and old school chats. And usenet. And irl word of mouth.

Because fuck all that shit.

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[–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Hapsburg chin of the digital age

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

Its almost like its predictable outcome of prediction algorithms being used to generate content

[–] mhague@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

If AI replaces humans then why would they need to continue training them? You don't believe in the AGI hype do you? You don't think our system is about anything other than efficiently racing to the bottom, do you?

Besides, humans will always figure out a better way, a new way, a fresh take. And there's your training data.

I don't get why it says "training AI on AI content makes it dumb" when people literally use synthesized data to carefully tune models. Today. I'm sure they'll improve training by the time the internet is fully replaced.

This all assumes that it won't take a human-like AI to replace humans. Whatever replaces us will be pitiful, but it will be supported by our institutions, trillionaires, and enough personal data to create fun headlines like "Elon knows so much about you that if each datum was a grain of sand it would be bigger than Saturn!"

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

Mirrors face, fingers point.

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I feel so bad for Gen Z. Their future looks so bleak.

[–] crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Not because of this, mostly climate collapse, but yeah

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

It's all caused by the one and same cancer: capitalism.

[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 23 points 2 days ago (3 children)

To be fair, this is also part of the problem. AI is making climate change faster, even leaving aside the social ramifications of living in a post-truth world.

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[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I feel bad for millenials in their 30-40s who do not have unreplaceable expertize.

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

How could they have ever known about the possibility of the thing that literally everyone everywhere told them almost immediately a couple of years ago when this fad really started charting (or perhaps sharting is more appropriate)?

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Ah, so the technological singularity is here but it's in the opposite direction from what was expected as the technology takes over its own enshitification in an ever-accelerating manner.

I gotta wonder where do we go from here?

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I gotta wonder where do we go from here?

Butlerian Jihad.

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[–] Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (4 children)

AI articles cost <$0.01. Human writers cost $10-$100.

Buying a (human) slave for $100 sounds way more profitable than renting an AI if you ask me.

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