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Imagine the following scenario: On the 9th of January 2024 in the morning we wake up to news that President of the USA Joe Biden suffered a stroke and died in White House. The administration confirms that the death was entirely natural and no third party contributed to it. Even before the news reach all TV stations another one breaks: Former president of the USA Donald Trump has suffered a cardiac arrest and died in his residence in Mar a Lago. Early reports claim that the site was secure and no malicious actor could reasonably reach Mr. Trump so the death is most likely natural.

What happens then?

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[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 115 points 10 months ago

uhh the vice president takes over, and the parties pick new candidates.

pretty basic actually.

and realistically, they havent even officially picked candidates yet. so other than trump tornado dying not much would change.

[-] distantsounds@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Not much would change.

Don’t discount the tears of joy from billions of people across every political spectrum

[-] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Not only that, but there’s an entire line of presidential succession. It’s part of a broader concept of ‘continuity of government’. Basically, it ensures that there’s always someone formally in charge. You could vaporize half the country including every senior official and there’d still be a legit, sworn in president in a few hours.

There’s basically contingencies upon contingencies. One interesting book on the topic is ‘Raven Rock’ by Garrett M. graff.

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[-] skydivekingair@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Who do you think would be the DNC candidate?

[-] dudinax@programming.dev 6 points 10 months ago
[-] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

A backup clone of Biden

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[-] nickhammes@lemmy.world 96 points 10 months ago

Kamala Harris becomes President, VP office is empty until she nominates a replacement and they're confirmed by a majority vote of both houses of Congress, which likely does not happen.

DNC needs to figure out how to select a new candidate, likely using a process they've created already but never tested.

RNC already had primaries scheduled, and they'll remove Trump from ballots where possible, as he'd be ineligible on account of having died, and they continue their primary process. It's probably between Haley and Desantis in the end, seeing who can pick up more Trump voters. Ramaswami probably becomes a bit more relevant, but still loses.

The media loses their minds, and the people of the Internet make so many references to Death Note.

[-] CrazyEddie041@kbin.social 80 points 10 months ago

You forgot the part where millions of people still write in Donald Trump based on the widespread conspiracy that he's still alive, and we get to figure out what happens when a state tries to elect a dead man.

[-] nickhammes@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago

I hate that you're probably right

[-] Igotz80HDnImWinning@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago

Disagree. I fully support this conspiracy theory and I am quite certain the GOP would do it if they had the chance. It’s better than running ads for a 3rd party candidate to splitthe vote. Just get on #chan and speculate or report sightings of him.

[-] Horsey@kbin.social 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This happened in Missouri in 2000 for a senate seat. The governor appointed his widow to the senate seat which she lost in the special election shortly afterwards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_Senate_election_in_Missouri#:~:text=Incumbent%20Republican%20Senator%20John%20Ashcroft,three%20weeks%20before%20election%20day.

[-] Donebrach@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

This would mean nothing because the electoral college exists. Likely all the red states would opt for the Republican candidate and blue for the Democratic candidate.

[-] ji17br@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

Election at Bernie’s.

[-] xantoxis@lemmy.world 87 points 10 months ago

If Biden died, his VP, Kamala Harris would become the president--the first woman president, as it happens. Everything would pretty much go on as it was.

Trump's death is entirely irrelevant to this scenario, and not useful to consider.

[-] morphballganon@lemmy.world 58 points 10 months ago

Trump's death is entirely irrelevant to this scenario, and not useful to consider.

You're only addressing what happens with the current administration. OP's question as stated opens the door to discussion about the 2024 election, the MAGA movement, the state of fascism in the nation etc.

[-] loopedcandle@lemmynsfw.com 12 points 10 months ago

But not a bad daydream

[-] GhostTheToast@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Never really thought it like this before, but would the entire chain move up? Like Speaker comes VP or would Harris get to select a new VP?

[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Harris appoints a new VP. Majority of Congress has to approve that appointment.

Check out Article 25 of the Constitution for more details.

Ford appointed Nelson Rockefeller to be VP after Nixon's resignation.

[-] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

25th amendment describes this process. Harris selects a new VP. Both houses of congress confirm by majority vote (good fucking luck).

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)
[-] Sagifurius@lemm.ee 24 points 10 months ago

BEER THIRTY, HONKY TONK TIME

[-] KingJalopy@lemm.ee 24 points 10 months ago

Why? Are you thinking about doing this country a favor?

[-] morphballganon@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

One person couldn't do both in one day

[-] Burninator05@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

You crazy MF'r! That's exactly what someone who could do both in one day would say!

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

THIS SUMMER

loud music begins

TWO ASSASSINATIONS

split screen shot of Trump and Biden

ONE MAN

the crazy pickle guy from Independence Day

WILL HAVE THE GREATEST ROAD TRIP OF ALL TIME

several comedic moments with quick cuts

IN...

movie title appears as the music hits its peak

date flashes on the screen

small stinger scene appears to end the trailer

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 23 points 10 months ago

A new holiday would be created and we'd party for a week straight.

[-] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 21 points 10 months ago

We'd have a real election race that's for sure

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[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago

Dancing and singing in the streets

[-] KeepFlying@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Them both being dead is both convenient and conveniently suspicious. Since Trump is guarded by secret service, conspiracies would arise saying they (under Bidens order, or a Harris power grab) killed him. It would be completely absurd given the circumstances and no reputable source would support it, but people would believe it anyway and Fox would push the story. Widely broadcast funerals for each of them.

Then nothing... The conspiracies would flow, but nothing much would change.

[-] mateomaui@reddthat.com 9 points 10 months ago

Probably tweet some condolences to Hunter, then wait for Trump to buried, to finally go pee on him.

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

A sigh of relief. Coming from me. Unfortunately not much more than that.

[-] Pika@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago

Honestly, I think if Trump died instantaneous there would be a massive movement claiming that the current Administration was the cause of death and they would use the most recent judicial hearing regarding Seal Team 6 as evidence towards it. There would be no proof of anything because like you said it was a natural death but that would not be enough to prove anything and I believe there would still be riots

As for if the president dropped dead, the vice president would take over and there would likely be an investigation into an assassination attempt but I don't think anything would come out of it because like mentioned it would be a natural death.

[-] Horsey@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

Kamala Harris becomes president and both primaries will elect someone.

[-] GreenPlasticSushiGrass@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm not sure anyone on the dem side would primary Harris, however. If she is primaried, Gavin Newsome would probably be sworn in about this time next year.

On edit: jmho

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[-] notsorryforpartying@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Died today? The 9th was yesterday my guy, look at a calendar haha

[-] jantin@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Oh I know, but I wanted to make sure no one has any grounds to accuse me of prophecies or something worse. Also the precise date doesn't matter.

[-] ArugulaZ@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

Trump's dead, though, right? Yeah, I can live with that.

[-] neptune@dmv.social 6 points 10 months ago

Probably the parties and their donors would scramble to replace them.

Harris has a leg up as she would be promoted to President and would be the incumbent. But she might not be prepared for a primary. Probably Gavin Newsom, her and a couple people would fight over some key endorsements and donors.

Well Chris Christie and Mike Pence would probably kick themselves as they just dropped out of the race. In a lot of ways, the republican race wouldn't change much. At least Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis would still be fighting over the voters not waiting for Trump to resurrect three days later.

The really dicy shit happens if the winning candidate dies before inauguration.

[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago

The world would be a better place!

Who am I kidding, America would just decend even further into anarchy, dragging everyone else with them....

[-] theodewere@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

if Trump died tomorrow, there would be zero impact anywhere.. it would be like a fart passing by and then nothing..

[-] girl@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 months ago

At minimum there would be mass celebration across the country, and some worldwide

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[-] nullPointer@programming.dev 3 points 10 months ago

some people are happy, some are sad. then we all get on with our miserable lives

[-] Sharpiemarker@startrek.website 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Neither have been elected yet. The Democrat and Republican parties would both nominate new candidates for president and then people would vote on them.

If you're talking about after they've been elected then the vice president takes over as president, followed by the speaker of the house if the vice president is incapacitated.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession#:~:text=The%20order%20of%20succession%20specifies,of%20the%20Senate%2C%20and%20then

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

Neither have been elected yet.

I'm pretty sure they've both been elected as president. Biden is even currently president, and I don't think he was appointed or anything.

[-] Sharpiemarker@startrek.website 3 points 10 months ago

You have a fair point there.

Since in OPs hypothetical they specified the Jan 9 date and that Biden had been elected, I misspoke.

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

tbf I didn't read the OP beyond the title! Haha

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[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It would probably be Nikki Haley vs Gavin Newsom. Would Kamala stay in the VP spot? Maybe.

[-] dudinax@programming.dev 2 points 10 months ago

Would Harris run against Newsom? Id bet.

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