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submitted 9 months ago by nkat2112@sh.itjust.works to c/news@lemmy.world

A 25-year-old Missouri man says he mistook his mother for an intruder before shooting her to death at their home’s back door.

Prosecutors have charged Jaylen Johnson with manslaughter and armed criminal action in connection with the shooting death on Thursday of his mother, Monica McNichols-Johnson.

McNichols-Johnson’s shooting death came less than a year after another shooting in Missouri saw Ralph Yarl, then 16, get shot on 13 April by 84-year-old Andrew Lester after ringing the wrong doorbell while picking up his siblings.

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[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 147 points 9 months ago

Living with a handgun owner particularly increased the risk of being shot to death in a domestic violence incident, and it did not provide any protection against being killed at home by a stranger, the researchers found. - Guardian Article April 7, '22

The relationship of Americans and our guns is such a weird, religious-level issue. Just bizarre people. And some of them are friends of mine. The people, not the guns.

[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 65 points 9 months ago

The relationship of Americans and our guns is such a weird, religious-level issue

[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 20 points 9 months ago
[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

We tried stopping him. Once.

[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

What assault rifle would Baby Jeebus use?

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[-] meco03211@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

I've heard this claim before and haven't really been able to dig into it. One question that came up through that article related to this paragraph:

The study focused only on homicide risk and did not examine how living with a handgun owner might increase or decrease the risk of being victimized in other ways, including by nonfatal assault, home invasion, or property theft.

This sounds like something like a home invasion that would have ended in a homicide but didn't (due to a gun or other reasons) wouldn't be counted. The cases that are due to a gun would seem especially important.

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 15 points 9 months ago

My friends around the world who aren't Americans,

The above is what it's like trying to talk about gun control with people here. Most of my experience isn't crazy gun nuts strutting around strapped because of some fucked up interpretation of the thought behind the 2A. It's people giving reasonable, at least superficially, arguments about why their guns aren't part of the problem. I say it's religious because it's all faith in the face of facts. Or fear in front of facts really.

[-] quindraco@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago

Meco did literally the opposite of what you're accusing them of: rather than take a claim on faith, they questioned. That's the polar opposite of religion.

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[-] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 101 points 9 months ago

If only his Mother had a Gun she could have Protected herself from her Son who had a gun and accidentally Shot her! That's literally the ONLY way she could have saved herself!

[-] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 26 points 9 months ago

With two guns, she would have been twice as safe!

[-] query@lemmy.world 64 points 9 months ago

An armed society is a society where people are looking for someone to shoot.

[-] Paddzr@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

From across the pond, it seems wild how bad it spiralled out due to capitalism. You guys got sold on the idea of having to defend your own house at any point of time... Leads people to have fantasies of being in such a scenario to use their custom piece to end a fool!

Are we really surprised it ended this way?

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[-] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 59 points 9 months ago

Is Missouri the new Florida?

This is a sad story, but as a former Missourian it's not super surprising.

There's anger and distrust that's festering there. A societal anger, not a personal one. It's a personification and personalization of national politics.

I can't describe the relief it is to not live in that environment anymore.

I am incredibly lucky.

[-] theodewere@kbin.social 50 points 9 months ago

Missouri really is a bunch of armed morons, you need to watch your ass in that state for real.. armed and looking to shoot somebody, the whole ignorant state..

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

We don't call it Misery for nothing. Though sadly there's a sizable chunk of this country I'd rather not set foot in; others you couldn't pay me enough to live there. Even PA from where I grew up has gone to shit. Still, compared to Mississippi or Alabama, Missouri is living in the future.

Just feels like people are zombies in these areas. Right-wing media, corporations, low education, alcohol/drugs, lead exposure, TBIs really did a number on these areas...

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 45 points 9 months ago

Yet another reason to ask questions first.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 26 points 9 months ago

Knowing your target (and what is beyond it) is one of the core rules of gun safety.

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[-] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 10 points 9 months ago

To be fair it could have been a cop and they don't ask questions first either before unloading multiple magazines worth of ammo so 🤷

[-] jaschen@lemm.ee 28 points 9 months ago

My aunt killed her husband with a gun when he came home early from his business trip to surprise her.

[-] LanternEverywhere@kbin.social 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

What is wrong with some people? The chance of someone with intent to cause bodily harm trying to break into a residence when someone is home is essentially zero.

[-] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

That's why you've got to grab your cool guns and start blasting immediately -- you might never get another chance.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 25 points 9 months ago

It's low but nonzero, and depends on your exact location.

But what's wrong with them is the constant stoking of their fear by Fox News and similar media, that tells them that the illegals are breaking into their houses to steal their wives and rape their jobs, or something.

[-] TonyStew@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Nearly ~~600,000~~ 900,000 burglaries occur yearly in the US, with 27.6% occurring while occupants were present and 25% of those incidents involving ~~an assault~~ violent crime on the occupants. (https://insurify.com/homeowners-insurance/insights/burglary-statistics/) That comes to ~~37,500~~ ~62,100 ~~break-in assaults~~ victims of violent crimes from break-ins in the US per year, divided by 123.6 million households in the US comes to a 1 in ~~3,296~~ 1,990 chance of a household's occupants being assaulted in a break-in each year. That's ~~68%~~ roughly as many incidents as being injured or killed by a firearm anywhere in the country each year as tallied by the GVA. Hardly zero, unless you also mean to minimize US gun violence.

Though either of these stats are hardly able to be applied broadly across the entire country given their driving force of poverty and its extreme regional & local disparities.

Edit: Actually those 600,000 burglaries only account for 69% of the US population. The actual number is ~900,000 nationally, bumping the math's number of violent crimes including assault, robbery, and rape experienced in homes up to ~62,100 or 1 in 1,990, surpassing being a victim of broad gun violence as tallied by the GVA when removing instances of justified self-defense.

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 months ago

I feel like you're minimizing the part where it's 0.03% by contrasting it with what you take as the given that individual gun violence is a likely threat in most of the country.

Gun violence can be a problem without it being a specific actionable concern for the majority of people.
It's why it's not contradictory to think we should work to reduce gun violence, and also not find it necessary to be armed in anticipation of imminent violence.

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[-] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

More than 11,000 burglaries in 2021 involved assault

That's a direct quote from your article so where does the "37,500 break-in assaults" number come from when it's 3x higher than what your source lists?

Furthermore,

In 2021, the most recent year for which complete data is available, 48,830 people died from gun-related injuries in the U.S.,

Meaning you're 4x more likely to be shot by someone than assaulted during a burglary

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

I explained the Castle Doctrine to my daughter not too long ago. I just love explaining to her why this sort of thing happens in America.

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[-] JCreazy@midwest.social 19 points 9 months ago

I hate when Missouri ends up in the news for stupid things. I promise, we aren't all idiots.

[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Oh yeah? Name 3 things that is great about Missouri!

No seriously, I'm asking because I have a friend who feels the same way, and I want to go, "Well, you still have (3 things here)" and cheer them up.

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[-] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Target id is very important. Weapon lights are important. This shit will haunt him for the rest of his life.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Bet he gets off with a warning after crying himself some Rittenhouse tears during the trial

Hey you know how I avoid never accidentally shooting someone? Not owning a gun. Gun makers hate this one trick but they can't stop you.

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