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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 42 points 8 months ago

"Don't hate the wealthy, hate the tax system."

What if I told you the wealthy specifically CRAFTED the tax system?

Books everyone should read:

Perfectly Legal: The Covert Campaign to Rig Our Tax System to Benefit the Super Rich - and Cheat Everybody Else

Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense (and Stick You with the Bill)

The Fine Print: How Big Companies Use "Plain English" to Rob You Blind

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yep.

The people that benefit from complicated taxes are always gonna be the ones that can pay for high prices accountants and plan all year to minimize their tax liability.

Everyone else would be way better off with a flat progressive rate system.

Eg:

0-20k: no taxes

20k-60k: 5%

60k-120k: 10%

Maybe a deduction for dependents.

Do the same for property tax, unrealized capital gains, and suddenly we've got a tax system that you really can't cheat. Because there's virtually no loopholes.

As a bonus, it's ridiculously easily to understand, and no one needs an accountant to figure it out.

Because once they have enough wealth that they can't pay a better accountant, they start lobbying to change the tax law and add something they already know how to exploit.

Shit doesn't have to be complicated. It's just harder for the wealthy to cheat if it's simple.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

Oh, for the super wealthy it couldn't be easier... hang on a second...

Here's just one page from Perfectly Legal. People do not grasp at just how different a level the truly wealthy are operating at:

[-] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

Transcript for readability:

Once, Blattmachr devised a way that Bill Gates, the richest man in America, could reap $200 million in profits on Microsoft stock without paying the $56 million of capital gains taxes that federal law required at the time. The plan was so lucrative that Gates would not have to pay a single dollar in tax and would even be entitled to an income tax deduction of $6 million or so. And that was just the initial plan. The concept could be applied endlessly, allowing Gates to convert billions of dollars in Microsoft stock gains into cash over the years. So long as the Internal Revenue Service did not challenge the deals, then Gates could realize unlimited capital gains without the pain of taxes.

The trick was in manipulating charitable trusts, a common enough device used by generous people who own an asset, such as stock or a building that has appreciated in value. Instead of selling the asset and investing the after-tax proceeds, an individual or a married couple can donate the asset to a charitable trust that they control. The trust sells the asset tax-free and invests the proceeds, giving the donating individual or couple a lifetime income, typically 6 percent per year. When the donors die, what remains in the trust, typically half its value, goes to charity.

Blattmachr's plan was to take back not 6 percent annually for life, but 80 percent per year for two years. Gates could have pocketed at least $192 million without paying any tax. Then the trust would fold and a charity would get the remaining sum, less than $8 million. Under the plan Gates could have converted into cash more than 96 percent of gains on the Microsoft shares he donated, not the 72 percent he was entitled to after federal capital gains taxes. The charity would get less than four cents on each donated dollar. The government would collect nothing.

The scheme even created a tax deduction that was enough to reduce Gates's income taxes by about $2 million.

Whether Gates took advantage of such a plan is not known for sure because the law makes individual income tax records confidential. What is known is that when Blattmachr made this route available to others, it sold like a treasure map where X marks the tax-free spot. Billions of dollars of assets poured into these short-term charitable

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Well, any tax shenanigans is "easy" because they ain't doing their own taxes.

And the more they have to gain, the more they'll pay an accountant.

The book summarizes it as a "deal" but doesn't say how many hours it takes a six figure account to fanagale into "legal".

But even if Gates had to pay a team of ten for a whole year to pull it off, it's a lot better than 56% in taxes on $200 million.

Not all of them will do it, but most people with that level of wealth got there by always making the choice that prioritizes profits over anything.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Businesses are still going to negotiate no taxes with the local government. A millionaire getting a charitable deductible is nothing compared to the billions Amazon saves by getting lower taxes in exchange for locating hubs in a particular city.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago

Lots of politicians know and admit those are bullshit...

Like most issues, it would be solved if at least one of the only two parties was progressive.

Neoliberals and republicans uniting to fuck over the average American, doesn't mean the average American will always lose.

Just means we have a bunch of politicians to replace.

[-] bstix@feddit.dk -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I agree, it should be simplified to the point of being unavoidable.

However, a very large part of the working force are employed only because companies need to make a financial statement to document their earnings. If we simplify taxes, you can kiss goodbye to 30-40% of all jobs. Many people work these bullshit jobs.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

30% of all jobs aren't related to paying taxes.

[-] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Treason doth never prosper, what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason.

[-] Shirasho 25 points 8 months ago

These clowns still not realizing that wealth and trickle economics are mutually exclusive. By definition wealth is the hoarding of resources beyond one's necessities. One does not get wealthy by releasing their wealth.

These people will not make more jobs. They will reduce the number of jobs, pay less and expect more, and hoard the extra wealth created by the hard work of their workers.

This past year tech companies have reported record profits while also seeing one of the highest layoff counts in years.

[-] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 1 points 8 months ago

The trick is playing their game. While it’s not a lot, I have made a decent amount of spending money buying stock of companies that announce huge layoffs.

Almost always when this is announced their stocks go up. You just have to remember to sell it fairly quick because they always start producing less.

[-] Neato@ttrpg.network 14 points 8 months ago

hate the tax system

The very system the billionaires and their corporations lobbied to create. So I can just hate the billionaires and kill 2 birds with 1 guillotine!

[-] Shadywack@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

That concept of "Public Trust" is a tough one for Republicans and Democrats. The interests of the Public Trust as a concept are people's faith in government to "do the right thing", and is a foundational principle for democracy as a concept.

It's interesting this Pew Research data that shows a constant erosion of the public's trust in government overall, while it is noted that each party tends to trust the government more if "their guy" is in the Whitehouse, what's remarkable is the erosion of trust as a pattern that's now regardless of whoever's in office.

This thermocline inversion of trust overall is why the US is totally fucked. Nobody trusts their ~~democratically elected~~ bought and paid for by special interests representatives to do the right thing for the public overall, but only for the special interests that ~~elected~~ selected them.

I'd love to know what the perception of the public trust was back in the mid to late 1800's during the gilded age. I'd bet that it's similar to today's sentiment of corrupt fat cat politicians and gluttonous profiteering at the expense of workers and natural resources.

Source: Pew Research on the Public Trust in Government from 1958-2023

[-] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Thank you Koch brothers.

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