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[-] peanuts4life@lemmy.blahaj.zone 186 points 7 months ago

The attrition is slow, but every user lost to Linux is likely lost forever. After a year or so of totally free software, who is going to build a new windows compatible PC, buy a Windows 11 license, and pay for subscription service just to do word processing, or play a few incompatible games?

Windows completely overestimates people's willingness to throw out their laptop or PC just to get a new OS paintjob. For every person who does it, another one will leave their ecosystem forever.

[-] Senseless@feddit.de 26 points 7 months ago

I think I didn't buy a Windows license ever. Got Win 7 free from my college and always could upgrade for free to the next version. I never used MS Office, mostly did use the Google suite. Games were the only thing that kept me, especially since I got more privacy continuous over the past few years.

I'm currently dual booting Win 11 and Linux mint as a test phase. Actually just running windows for the proprietary phone client I need for work. Otherwise I'm newly exclusively using LM right now. Though I might make the switch to EndeavourOS for it's rolling release approach and AUR.

Only thing I really hate is that there are some proprietary software like ICUE, L-Connect a proper scanning software for my printer including OCR (there is a version for Linux but it doesn't include OCR) or shitty driver support for my graphics card. But none of those are issues coming from Linux itself but rather from the lack of support from the developers. Also, I love DLSS and Ray tracing but seriously.. fuck Nvidia.

[-] thevoidzero@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

For the OCR, have you tried tesseract? For printed documents it can take image input and generate a pdf with selectable text. I don't OCR much but it has been useful when I tried a few times.

You might be able to have a script that takes the scanner input into tesseract and output a pdf. It only works on a single image per run so I had to make script to run it on whole pdf by separating it and stitching it back together.

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[-] thisisbutaname@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 7 months ago

Windows licenses AFAIK are already rarely bought on their own. The vast majority of users get one by having it bundled to a new device they purchase.

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[-] Sabata11792@kbin.social 14 points 7 months ago

I'm never daily driving Windows again, but im not sure if I will ever be free of dual booting for some games.

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[-] imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml 131 points 7 months ago

i honestly just wanna express my gratitude to all the people who made linux what it is today over the last decades, the experience is incomparable to the one i had when first installing debian in 2007. i wish i were more skilled in order to meaningfully give back to this community.

and to all the newbies: thanks for joining our ranks! please dont be scared by the rather elitist attitude that some users display. we secretly all love you!

[-] bigkahuna1986@lemmy.ml 56 points 7 months ago

If you want to give back but don't have coding skills, you can always be nice and help onboard new users! There's always been this attitude of 'linux is better' immediately followed by 'rtfm n00b' when users try to get started. A more sympathetic crowd would go a long way.

[-] imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml 15 points 7 months ago

thanks for the piece of mind! while i do have some skills due to my work, its not remotely enough to work on linux. im gonna be a recruiter then..

[-] machinin@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

Probably not a recruiter, but supporting those who are trying to switch or are needing support on forums like here or other places. Help them find solutions, be kind to them when they are struggling, encourage them if another user is derisive.

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[-] A22546889@lemmy.dbzer0.com 117 points 7 months ago

The games I play work just fine under Linux. I'm EXTREMELY thankful for every single person that has contributed to Linux or the apps they can use.

If I wasn't such a monkey I'd help any way I could.

[-] Cargon@lemmy.ml 28 points 7 months ago

I'm not such a monkey, and I could probably contribute if I put my mind to it, but I just don't have the time.... Instead I try to contribute documentation and money when I can. Everything helps!

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[-] JCreazy@midwest.social 73 points 7 months ago

Spez started it all for me.

[-] IEatAsbestos@lemmy.world 55 points 7 months ago

Spez shit the bed and now I run linux.

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[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 62 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

At this point I use Linux for everything except my music production hobby (Mac for that) and even then I use Renoise and BitWig on Linux. I've been on Linux since 1996 but I haven't been 100% Linux until the past two years.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 22 points 7 months ago

Fuck yeah Bitwig. I mainly chose it so I'd have the flexibility to move to Linux in the future. That and the unmatched sounds design and modulation abilities.

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[-] HouseWolf@lemm.ee 11 points 7 months ago

I'm a newbie bedroom music producer but I've actually had more luck with my audio setup on Linux than I did on Windows 10.

I'm using an older Scarlet 2i2 to record guitar and back on Windows I was always having driver issues or Windows randomly resetting the sample rate making my DAW freak out at me.

On Linux it just works right away without me needing to download or tweak anything. Only part of my setup that needed tweaking was using yabridge for a few Windows VSTs.

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[-] PanArab@lemmy.world 53 points 7 months ago

I hope to see it reach 10% within my lifetime

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[-] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 49 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

At this rate we might just see the Year of the Linux Desktop^TM^ on our deathbeds!

[-] nicoweio@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

Easy. Every year is the Year of the Linux Desktop™.

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[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 46 points 7 months ago

What’s odd to me is the cultural zeitgeist has moved to folks being aware that Microsoft (& Google & Apple) is collecting data on them to being the butt of jokes, yet those folks aren’t adopting an alternatives. With over a decade on Linux I’m now pretty out of touch with the opposite feeling. I guess the closest analog I have is not being able to realistically leave Android behind, but that is more hardware than software (banking app already don’t let you root or otherwise flash your device so I have given up hope in trying with them).

[-] shrugs@lemmy.world 28 points 7 months ago

A few days ago I tried to install Windows 11 on the PC of a friend. It didn't work because of missing SATA drivers. Anyway, I was shocked how many points there are where Microsoft or Apple (we used his mac to create the USB drive) tries to sell something (buy pro version of fan controll now) or wants your permissions to gather all your data.

I convinced him to let me install debian. When it came to creating the default user he was hesitant to use his full name, because telemetry :D

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[-] tankbeg@lemmy.ml 44 points 7 months ago

Made the switch this year, I'm not going back.

[-] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 28 points 7 months ago

I bought Windows 11 early on so I'm still using it to justify the purchase on my desktop, but I moved my OEM licensed laptop over to Debian a few months ago.

Can confirm that as soon as Windows 11 is no longer supported or it gets slightly more ass, I'll be moving my desktop over to Debian or Arch or something as well.

With the advent of gaming becoming so much more accessible on linux either through native support or through something like proton, I am very hard pressed to find any reason to stay.

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[-] DestroyMegacorps@lemmy.ml 27 points 7 months ago

Honestly with this rate we may even reach 5% on end of this year or maybe even earlier Proton FTW

[-] st3ph3n@midwest.social 27 points 7 months ago

Now that gaming is effectively a solved problem thanks to Proton, Adobe Lightroom is just about the only thing keeping my desktop PC on Windows. My laptop is already running Linux. I’ve tried the FOSS alternatives but none of them fits my workflow like Lightroom. This is a me problem more so than a problem with any of these pieces of software.

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 26 points 7 months ago

Try running those adobe apps on a windows virtual machine. Use KVM with virt-managet instead of virtualbox. If the performance is acceptable for you, now you can use Linux as the primary os and only use the VM for adobe apps. VM boots faster too because you can just hit suspend and resume it again later.

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[-] tooLikeTheNope@lemmy.ml 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Adobe Lightroom is just about the only thing keeping my desktop PC on Windows

Have you tried any of these?
https://itsfoss.com/raw-image-tools-linux/

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[-] OnfireNFS@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I just got a steam deck and I'm surprised how well it runs games. It's not quite as refined as a switch but it can run games were designed to run windowed in Windows with a mouse and keyboard. It can translate the game to run on Linux, the inputs to a gamepad and convert the game from being windowed to fullscreen. It's impressive and if the games were actually designed for the deck I feel like it could feel as seemless as the switch.

It is really making me consider Linux for my desktop once Windows 10 reaches EoL. The only game I've found that doesn't work is Destiny 2. Even the desktop mode on the deck is surprisingly nice

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[-] Ascend910@lemmy.ml 25 points 7 months ago

Oh god, it's happening. Everybody stay calm

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[-] dwt@feddit.de 25 points 7 months ago

There is the theory, that to convince everyone of something, you have to invest very hard work to convince 4% of the populace of what you are doing is right. After that, the rest will learn to know of this by themselves.

Hopefully this is similar

[-] MrShankles@reddthat.com 22 points 7 months ago

I work in a very large hospital. I left for 3 years and just came back. When I went to open a document at work, it opened in Libre Office. I was pretty surprised that they ditched Microsoft Office for Libre. Makes financial sense to me, especially because most of our use-cases are simply opening and reading a document or slideshow. But I was still surprised they made that switch, and I doubt half of the employees honestly even notice that much

Now, they still run Windows Desktops, and I doubt that would ever switch in my lifetime. So no linux for us. But still pleasantly surprised at the step forward

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[-] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 24 points 7 months ago

what happened in 2021 that started this trend?

[-] HouseWolf@lemm.ee 56 points 7 months ago

Windows 11 got quite a few people to look into trying Linux

I personally didn't think Win11 was that big of a downgrade over Win10, But I also didn't like 10 to begin with so I didn't need much convincing.

[-] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 38 points 7 months ago

Windows 11 is what finally got me to permanently switch over to Linux too lol

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[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

Probably a number of factors. Some I can think of that may have contributed:

  • Steam Deck showing that gaming is possible on Linux.
  • Windows 11’s hardware requirements pushing people to try Linux on older hardware.
  • Microsoft’s recent enshittification of Windows by pushing Edge and AI so hard.
  • KDE has been pushing to fix bugs and has gotten really good lately.
  • Electron has made a lot of apps people really need super easy to build for Linux, so companies have started releasing apps for Linux.
  • Flatpak has done the same, for distribution.
[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Did you dare to say something positive about Electron? Blasphemy!

[-] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 12 points 7 months ago

Pandemic lockdown maybe? Everyone got bored a few months into 2020. By 2021 they finally figured out their wifi drivers 🤷

(I'm joking, I haven't seriously struggled with wifi for a long time. I use Debian btw.)

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[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 11 points 7 months ago

Proton making Linux better for gaming, which was the biggest excuse for holdouts. Steam deck showing you could not only game on Linux, but do so while sitting in a tree, with long term support implied by show of confidence from a large corporation.

Windows steepened its enshittification spiral.

The pandemic put a lot of people in a more experimental space, and they tried a lot of shit. And a lot of people picked up new skills. Including Linux 101.

And people saw authority in general start failing in a big ways. A lot of people started questioning shit. Including corporate hegemonies.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 22 points 7 months ago

Let's stop pretending that Linux has a small market share. It is flipping 4%

[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 15 points 7 months ago

For gaming. For gaming its 4%. Which is the thing everyone says its bad at.

[-] tarsisurdi@lemmy.eco.br 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If the latest Steam survey is anything to go by, it’s actually lower of a percentage when it comes to gaming, representing 1.94% of the market. The stats mentioned in the article come from StatCounter which monitors web traffic.

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[-] donnager@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

I have been slowly switching to Linux for the last year. I have 2 Lenovo ThinkPad's and an HP EliteDesk running Ubuntu. I have my gaming PC dual booted but, for the moment, mainly using Linux Mint.

It has been an easy transition and I am not some Linux whiz.

[-] bier@feddit.nl 12 points 7 months ago

Keep running it for a while and after some time 5 or 10 years you will struggle when people ask you about (basic) Windows stuff.

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[-] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

I'm doing my part! Just moved to Mint, 3 weeks ago. I had tried with a dual boot previously but moving over to a clean install forced me to find solutions instead of just switching to windows

[-] Nia_The_Cat@beehaw.org 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I tried to give Windows 11 another go recently just to see how it is, I pulled all my files over including my gog games files which had wineprefixes in the folders, with /appdata folders for each prefix.

Windows decided "you know what, screw c:\users\appdata, lets use the appdata folder in this random gamefolder on a different drive instead" and proceeded to cannibalize itself just breaking the majority of apps. No idea how it can't recognize that the random wine "windows" files that aren't in the correct locations aren't the actual location for them. Couldn't fix it because it thought the "c:" folder in the wine directory was my actual c: drive and refused to delete it

Sure it was an extremely niche issue a Windows user would never realistically run into, but it reminded me just how fragile it is for uncommon usecases

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