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[-] Phroon@beehaw.org 152 points 7 months ago

“You may not instantly see why I bring the subject up, but that is because my mind works so phenomenally fast, and I am at a rough estimate thirty billion times more intelligent than you. Let me give you an example. Think of a number, any number.”

“Er, five,” said the mattress.

“Wrong,” said Marvin. “You see?”

― Douglas Adams, Life, the Universe and Everything

[-] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 9 points 7 months ago

The mattress? Like for sleeping?

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 41 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yep! The hitchhikers books are so much fun lol

I still think one of my favorite lines is "the ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't."

[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 125 points 7 months ago

37 is well represented. Proof that we've taught AI some of our own weird biases.

[-] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 43 points 7 months ago

What's special about 37? Just that it's prime or is there a superstition or pop culture reference I don't know?

[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 103 points 7 months ago

If you discount the pop-culture numbers (for us 7, 42, and 69) its the number most often chosen by people if you ask them for a random number between 1 and 100. It just seems the most random one to choose for a lot of people. Veritasium just did a video about it.

[-] metallic_z3r0@infosec.pub 28 points 7 months ago

37 is my favorite, because 3x7x37=777 (three sevens), and I think that's neat.

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[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 12 points 7 months ago
[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 7 months ago

I'm curious about that too. Something is twisting weights for 57 fairly strongly in the model but I'm not show what. Maybe its been trained on a bunch of old Heinz 57 varieties marketing.

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[-] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Probably just because it's prime. It's just that humans are terrible at understanding the concept of randomness. A study by Theodore P. Hill showed that when tasked to pick a random number between 1 and 10, almost a third of the subjects (n was over 8500) picked 7. 10 was the least picked number (if you ditch the few idiots that picked 0).

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[-] olicvb@lemmy.ca 63 points 7 months ago

holy crap, the answer to life the universe and everything XD

[-] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 35 points 7 months ago

More than likely it's because of that book and how often it's qouted

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What does "temperature" on the Y-axis refer to?

[-] gerryflap@feddit.nl 40 points 7 months ago

I'm not a hundred percent sure, but afaik it has to do with how random the output of the GPT model will be. At 0 it will always pick the most probable next continuation of a piece of text according to its own prediction. The higher the temperature, the more chance there is for less probable outputs to get picked. So it's most likely to pick 42, but as the temperature increases you see the chance of (according to the model) less likely numbers increase.

This is how temperature works in the softmax function, which is often used in deep learning.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 8 points 7 months ago

https://youtu.be/wjZofJX0v4M your answer from the 22:00 mark on.

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[-] HarkMahlberg@kbin.social 30 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I mean... they didn't specify it had to be random (or even uniform)? But yeah, it's a good showcase of how GPT acquired the same biases as people, from people..

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 22 points 7 months ago

uniform

Reminds me of my previous job where our LLM was grading things too high. The AI "engineer" adjusted the prompt to tell the LLM that the average output should be 3. I had a hard time explaining that wouldn't do anything at all, because all the chats were independent events.

Anyways, I quit that place and the project completely derailed.

[-] lauha@lemmy.one 28 points 7 months ago

Ask humans the same and most common numer is 37

[-] Catsrules@lemmy.ml 13 points 7 months ago

I saw that YouTube video as well.

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[-] ForestOrca@kbin.social 25 points 7 months ago

WAIT A MINUTE!!! You mean Douglas Adams was actually an LLM?

[-] ElCanut@jlai.lu 7 points 7 months ago

I've never seen Douglas Adams and a LLM in the same room together 🤷

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[-] FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org 22 points 7 months ago

HA, funny that this comes up. DND Beyond doesn't have a d100, so I opened my ChatGPT sub and had it roll a d100 for me a few times so I could use my magic beans properly.

[-] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 7 months ago

I use the percentile die for that.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org 8 points 7 months ago

Also an excellent method.

[-] TauriWarrior@aussie.zone 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Opened up DND Beyond to check since i remember rolling it before and its there, its between D8 and D10, the picture shows 2 dice

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[-] Urist@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago

Roll two d10, once for each digit, and profit?

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[-] DarkFox@pawb.social 17 points 7 months ago

Which model?

When I tried on ChatGPT 4, it wrote a short python script and executed it to get a random integer.

import random

# Pick a random number between 1 and 100
random_number = random.randint(1, 100)
random_number
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[-] xyguy@startrek.website 10 points 7 months ago

Only 1000 times? It's interesting that there's such a bias there but it's a computer. Ask it 100,000 times and make sure it's not a fluke.

[-] PhreakyByNature@feddit.uk 8 points 7 months ago

NEEDS MOAR 69 FELLOW HUMAN

[-] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 8 points 7 months ago
[-] Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I'm curious, is there actually so many 42's in the system? (more than 69 sounds unlikely)

What if the LLM is getting tripped up because 42 is always referred to as the answer to "the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything".

So you ask it a question like give a number between 1-100, it answers 42 because that's the answer to "Everything", according to it's training data.

Something similar happened to Gemini. Google discouraged Gemini from giving unsafe advice because it's unethical. Then Gemini refused to answer questions about C++ because it's considered "unsafe" (referring to memory management). But Gemini thinks C++ is "unsafe" (the normal meaning), therefore it's unethical. It's like those jailbreak tricks but from its own training set.

[-] Corgana@startrek.website 8 points 6 months ago

I’m curious, is there actually so many 42’s in the system?

Sort of, it's not actually picking a random number. It does not know what "random" means. It is analyzing the number of times the question "pick a random number" was asked and what the most common responses to that question looked like.

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[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 8 points 7 months ago

42, 47, and 50 all make sense to me. What’s the significance of 37, 57, and 73?

[-] Rekhyt@beehaw.org 32 points 7 months ago

There's a great Veritasium video recently about this exact thing: https://youtu.be/d6iQrh2TK98

It's a human thing, though. This is just more evidence of LLM's problem with garbage in, garbage out: it's human biases being present in a system that people want to claim doesn't have them.

[-] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 7 months ago

People do mention Veritasium, though he doesn't give any significant explanation of the phenomenon.

I still wonder about 47. In Veritasium plots, all these numbers provide a peak, but not 47. I recall from my childhood that I indeed used to notice that number everywhere, but idk why.

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[-] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 9 points 7 months ago

Veritasium just released a video about people picking 37 when asked to pick a random number.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 7 points 7 months ago

So what? It figured out The Answer, big whoop.

Get back to me when it figures out The Question.

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