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  • Russia's army has grown bigger despite sustaining losses when it invaded Ukraine, says a US general.
  • US Army Gen. Christopher Cavoli said the Russian army "is actually now larger — by 15 percent."
  • "Russia is on track to command the largest military on the continent," Cavoli said.
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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 123 points 5 months ago

Yes, that's what happens when you have forced conscription.

Large doesn't mean effective.

[-] geogle@lemmy.world 37 points 5 months ago

Just an FYI, both sides including conscripted soldiers. Russia is 18 - 30, Ukraine is now 25 - 60.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

Okay? Ukraine also has a fraction of Russia's population. Why would that give it a larger army?

[-] geogle@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago

Your argument before made it seem as though conscription was one sided. I'm not arguing with a stranger on the Internet... that'd be silly

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Forced conscription makes a large military in a country with a huge population much larger. Ukraine isn't even relevant to the equation.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 12 points 5 months ago

My armchair General theory is that conscription works better for defensive armies than offensive. Taking a random 18 year old and forcing them to go fight in a different country only leads to questions of why they are there. Convincing that same 18 year old that they should sign up to go fight in a different country out of misplaced patriotism works a lot better. Ironically, that means giving people the choice tends to support imperialism more than forcing the issue.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Exactly what the headline is missing. Russia has a larger army and is still ineffective.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 42 points 5 months ago

This isn't at all surprising, in fact a lot of people were trying to point out at the outset that the longer the war dragged on, the larger and more sustained Russia's military would grow.

Ukraine simply doesn't have the population to keep up indefinitely.

[-] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago

Also have to consider loss of experience, equipment and morale/exhaustion, along with economic costs on the civilian population.

May be larger, but are they professional forces that are well trained and equipped (for russia) or warm bodies and second tier equipment? What about the losses of experienced non-coms and officers?

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 13 points 5 months ago

At what point does a military cease being fatigued and start being 'battle hardened'?

I think the most the West expected was to drain Russia of their military capabilities, but they've overshot that goal and now Russia has doubled-down on their military production. Absent NATO getting more directly involved, I don't see how this trend is good news for Ukraine.

[-] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

When improved performance exceeded losses due to fatigue. Also have to consider if support structures are delivering what the front line needs.

I would argue Russia military capabilities are being drained in every way except manpower.

[-] lanolinoil@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

That's how they always do it though and it didn't stop them in the past (to be fair, from invasion though which is a lot different)

[-] Docus@lemmy.world 36 points 5 months ago

Define army. Do kids without training or equipment count?

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 45 points 5 months ago

To Putin? Absolutely.

This has been their MO since before the soviets. When they failed the lightning raid on Kyiv, they went back to their old tactics- relying on attrition and simply assuming tbhat any losses can be replaced - which is far from true if Ukraine.

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

The IDF seems to think so.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Judging by their actions the IDF's definition of enemy combatant seems to extend all the way down to fetuses still in their mother's womb, so their actions are not really a reasonable metric for comparison with normal soldiers in a normal war.

Wars driven mainly by massive racism and with a background of in the aggressor country for over half a century the target etnicity having been relentlessly protrayed as less than human ("human animals" as Israeli members of government openly said) are conducted outside any and all rationality, much less humanity, whilst wars driven mainly by greed still have some rationality, if only because even any last minute attempts in such wars by the leaders of the aggressor nation to turn their soldiers into monsters towards The Enemy to try and win, are nowhere as effective at creating monsters as conscripting as soldiers young adults who have grown up in an environment swamped with extremelly racist views of the etnicity of The Enemy.

For all the evil the Russians have done in Ukraine, their actions seem to be mainly driven by greed and a general disregard for human life, whilst Israeli soldiers' actions seem to be mainly driven by extreme racist hate.

[-] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The US needs to get a lethal aid package passed. It has been stalled in the House for half a year. We aren't pulling our own weight. Luckily, Europe is pulling much of our slack. Poland and the Baltic states in particular have really stepped up to the plate.

[-] baru@lemmy.world 47 points 5 months ago

It has been stalled

More like that it's been purposely blocked back by the Republicans.

[-] Squizzy@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

Are they so selfish that this is self serving and too stupid to realise they are playing into Russia's arms or do they do this willingly and only pretend to not realise.

Either one is horrible and regrettable but I am genuinely curious if they are opportunist idiots or trecherous idiots.

[-] PoorYorick@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Neither, they are actively working towards Russia's goal just like they were paid to do, and they don't seem to be pretending at all.

[-] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

I'm not even sure these GOP reps are getting a dime from Russia.

More likely: they're not getting anything from Russia, but their god-emperor Donny sure is, and he's also got a vendetta against Ukraine after the whole Biden investigation debacle, so he's using his inexplicable political clout within the party to pressure them into doing his bidding, with the penalty for falling to do so being that he says bad things about them, costing them an election.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

It's almost certainly a combination of the two.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

What happened to those weapons for israel that were blocked by Republicans? Somehow those managed to end up in israel.

[-] zloubida@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago

"Based on my experience in 37-plus years in the U.S. military, if one side can shoot and the other side can't shoot back, the side that can't shoot back loses," he continued.

This guy generals.

[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago

This is good news, as it will accelerate russia’s demographic collapse.

[-] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

Frankly I dislike this comment. We all agree that Putin and the kleptochratic Russian regime needs to go away, but can we please not cheer on hundreds of thousands of young men going to be killed?

Not only are they human beings too (and given Russian conscription methods quite literally stuck between a rock and a hard place), but also mean Ukranian soldiers being further traumatised, both physically and mentally.

[-] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago
[-] ChocoboRocket@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

Obviously more US aid is crucial, and it's recent absence is clearly having negative consequences in Ukraine.

If there is a silver lining, it's that all of Europe is finally getting it's military shit sorted out.

Russia is settling into it's war economy and the rest of Europe has decades of dust to shake off it's military capabilities.

Obviously NATO and individual European counties aren't fully engaged in war like Ukraine is, but the resources consumed by war is proving just how under prepared Europe is for a long campaign.

[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Putin will need to keep his new big military busy or they might turn on him, and he knows it.

[-] edwardthefma99@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Yes if you include all the mercanarys and the new recruits and those civilians being drafted also the region in Ukraine is known for guerilla warfare so a long term un welcome occupation won't last long

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