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One false statement by a random woman was like a match lighting the powder keg. I kinda always figured the British were less racist than us Americans…
Apple doesn't fall far.
Apple is racist too?!
Apples are fruit and thus cannot be racist.
Sounds like something a fruit would say.
The only fruits I’ve interacted with were strictly of the plant-bearing type. I have heard nuts say the weirdest things, but that’s expected from the average republican.
Hello fellow gen-xer who remembers when fruit was a gentler version of the other f-word
i think the apple's rotten right to the core
They INVENTED modern imperialism, first trialling it in the "Irish plantations" starting in the 16th century, long before America's colonies. If one could go back in time to stop anything...
All roads lead to Rome.
Before that Greece, before that Persia, before that Assyria, before that Babylonia, before that Egypt, before that Sumeria... Sometime before that Cro Magnon Man. The list gets bigger; The Mongols, Timurids and other turkic groups like the Mughals, the Han...
Even specific to the British Isles (the Angles, Saxons and Jutes; then the Vikings; then the Normans (French descendants of Vikings).
In other words all roads don't lead to Rome, it's just a thing that humans do.
Edit: Clarity, Grammar, More Pedantry
with the difference that the old romans preferred to integrate other tribes into their empire and raise their living standards to pacify them - and not slaughter them.
Modern? As in naval ships as command zones in the Middle East modern? Or subverting latin American democracy modern?
That's postmodern colonization, it's all "ce n'est pas une colonie"
Britain did in fact refuse to help Simon Bolivar set up democracies in Latin America so... Arguably... The answer is just... Yes? It's both? They did both of the things?
Migration was the one big issue that carried Brexit. It made them all forget anything else and blindly believe brexiters, if only there were no more brown people coming into the country.
It was the racist vote.
But besides that, there is racism everywhere. How its dealt with is the difference. I'm personally very glad to see the big counter protests now. They have become too confident to be loud about their hate again and we all have to put them back into their place, making it clear that this is not acceptable.
Bro, lol, they're British...
Like the Empire?
They're historically so racist they genocided other white people for not being English. Sound like anyone else you can think of?
... Where did you think we got it from? Just look at how the Aussies treated the Aboriginals.
Look at how the treated the .
Goes into more recent times then what we would consider the colonial era.
Settle down mate. I'm Australian, and well aware of the mistreatment of Australian aboriginals.
I'm not going to defend the behavior of my forebears, my comment was merely pointing out that this is not a uniquely Australian problem, and that colonisation never goes well for the indigenous.
In prehistory, homo sapiens colonised the entire world and either murdered, massacred, out bred or otherwise displaced competing hominids to the point of their extinction. A pattern repeated the world over ever since. How well are Russians treating Ukranians, or Israelis treating Palestinians ?
How can we dance when our earth is turning? How do we sleep while our beds are burning?
It's a real mixed bag from what I know. They got rid of slavery much earlier, I don't think they have the baggage of Jim Crow that US frankly still has. Afaik black people were more accepted in society. But the recent immigration trend changed things and there is real anti Islam sentiment afaik. I'm really not that well versed in it though.
Immigrants always get blamed in troubled times. It's a story as old as time. If wealth wasn't so concentrated and everyone had a good job and a nice place and whatever no one would care about migrants.
Yes migrants also get jobs and live in houses but they're not the underlying cause.
They replaced slavery with indentured servitude.
They didn't got rid of slavery, they got rid of chattel slavery (with the State paying massive amounts of money to the slave owners) and replaced it with a different kind based on debt.
Just like the idea that Britain isn't racist, the idea that Britain were the first to end slavery is Image Management Propaganda Bollocks anchored on misrepresenting what actually happens.
Check out the Catholic versus Protestant angle there, always good for a row.
I lived for over a decade in Britain and had both afro-descendant and muslim friends who were discriminated against over there, even before Brexit.
Even I got discriminated against because of being Portuguese (though nowhere are much as they did).
Britain has for long been one of the most rightwing countries in Europe, it's just that they're very good at image management and their far right leaders are posh types with upper class education and accents, not slang-using rabble rousing loudmouths with low-class accents.
Brexit didn't happen in a vacuum.
Kavernacle just did a very succinct video on this exact topic https://youtu.be/JmA-0it04Wk?feature=shared
It really does feel like that right now, as someone who lives in northern England.
I'm Portuguese, lived almost a decade in The Netherlands and then over a decade in Britain.
It's funny that after some years in Britain, on my own I reached the exact same conclusions as this guy who is local born and bred.
how was your time in the Netherlands?
Best place I ever lived in: organized without being controlling and oppressive (as you would find in Germanic nations), good quality of life, genuinely moral liberal, good salaries, great work-life balance, with Proportional Vote hence consensus politics and with people who naturally behave in a more egalitarian way (in all senses) than pretty much everywhere else. As I see it socially they're decades ahead of the UK and Portugal, though they've had right-wing neoliberal governments for over a decade now and it shows.
Would've gone back recently if it wasn't for their massive housing bubble making rentals extremely expensive pretty much anywhere in the country.
They do have one thing I really dislike which is Scandinavian levels of personal taxes but with much lower levels of Public Services than most of Europe, probably because their ultra-low taxation for companies results in pretty much the entire budget of the Dutch state being funded from taxation of people so you end up with people paying above European-average taxes and getting below European-average levels of Public Services.
Lol. They're every bit as racist, if not more so.
WE LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU, DAD
Well you know its much easier to blame the match than have a little bit of self reflection.
I always like to say that the USA kept all the worst parts of British culture. That's not to say that Americans aren't decent generally speaking. Just that....idk....imperialistic tendencies, systemic racism, highly stratified social class dynamics, random violence....kinda shitty politics dominated by 2 parties who are centre/right and shifting further right.
Uhhhh what? Americans are just louder
More like Americans are still relevant. They were still plenty loud when they did the Irish and Bengal Famines.
What's this mean? Uk racism is very relevant, so is American
How is the UK not relevant in a conversation about the UK?
America's voice is still relevant to global politics, Britain's problems get glossed over because they aren't without the Empire
The British Empire was an egalitarian paradise, imo
Edit: I guess I have to add an /s lmao
You thought wrong, most of the world is more racist than the US