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All numbers to you eh?
I can’t have sympathy for murderous antisemites
Not murder, by your logic.
https://a.lemmy.world/lemmy.world/comment/12495954
They’ve targeted civilians, including 40 people at a US Embassy.
Both sides have.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-as-israeli-attacks-wipe-out-entire-families-in-gaza/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68006126
Looks like murders of innocent civilians were done by semites... As it's most often the case.
A collateral civilian death during a military action has never been considered “murder.” It can’t be, since it’s unintentional.
Just completely ignore the concept of proportional response and the Principle of Proportionality.
If you're going to pretend to be an expert on international law...
1000 militants per civilian meets every definition of proportionate
In Gaza? Yeah, no. The reply was in response to OP and my reply was to that reply. We are talking about Gaza here.
1.3 civilians per militant also meets the definition of proportionate; during the US action in Fallujah it was 7:1 and the ICJ had no issue with that at all.
Urban combat is destructive for the people who live there; they should simply have not started a war on Oct 7th.
There has been quite a lot of collateral civilian casualties, how many more people must die and how many more people must suffer under poverty in the name of the great American empire?
None, if Israel’s enemies surrender and end the war. That’s how war works.
Do you genuinely think thats how the world work? Not Israel nor the Israeli people will ever know peace as long as Israel exists as an extension of the American Empire. If all of Israels enemies surrender then the American Empire will simply create new enemies for them to fight in their perpetual endless war.
We’ll know peace because everyone like you, everyone who won’t accept a Jewish state in the Middle East, will fight until you die. And you’ll lose.
Peace comes at the end of war.
Have you forgotten that Iran was once an Israeli ally, or that Israel once held Lebanon as a puppet? Throughout history Israel has backstabbed allies and continuously made its own enemies. Hamas was made in large part due to Israel interference in Gazas politics as was the PLO. Peace was never the goal of Israel, it was always conflict. Whenever the knesset members protest the war theyre called traitors and even beaten up. How many people must die for your dream of a so called Jewish state and for whom would the state truly be for. We can tell by the rise of Kahanism to that the Jewish state is clearly not for all Jews.
When did Israel “hold” Lebanon?
Were either Hamas or the PLO allies of Israel? If the PLO was the ally of Israel then why did they kill the entire Israeli Olympics team in Munich?
Peace has always been the goal of Israel. The elimination of all Jews has always been the goal of Hezbollah and Hamas and they’ll die for it.
Before Hezbollah Israeli money was constantly being pumped into Lebanon. Also once again you're missing my point, both Hamas and Hezbollah were created to be enemies. Im addition you're still ignorent to the economics of war and foreign interests. It matters not what Israel wants when its nothing but an extension of the American Empire.
You said “hold”, like they were in control of the place.
Now you’re just saying they invested there.
But your point is wrong - they were created to be allies. Allies of Iran, which is who created them. That’s why Hezbollah promotes Shia Islam in Lebanon.
Waving terms like “war economics” and “foreign interests” without meaning anything by them doesn’t help your argument; Iran faces the same incentives for war against Israel that anyone else would.
If Israel is nothing but an American vassal state, the vanguard of our imperial ambitions in the Middle East (lol, who cares about that shithole desert) then why have we placed Israel under arms embargo literally every time they’ve been attacked by Arabs?
Money is a form of control, if you control a countries economy you effectively control the country.
Hamas received direct Israeli funding
My point is that war economics inherently benefits the American Empire
Israel exists as an outpost for American troops to exhert power in the region. In addition America has sent more money to Israel then every other country. I think it was said best by Joe Biden "If Israel didn't exist we would have to make one".
The idea that Israel wants peace is absurd, the people maybe but its clear that the colonial ambitions of the Israeli government will never be satisfied nor its lust for violence. In addition factually speaking Israel is a colonial outpost, early Israeli colonizers openly called themselves colonizers until the term become no longer cool.
Spending money someplace doesn’t “control the economy”, stupid.
No, it did not.
Proxy war with Israel directly benefits the Iranian empire.
There are fewer US troops stationed in Israel than stationed in Lincoln, Nebraska.
There’s no such thing. Israel is not a colony - Palestine is a colony and Arabs are colonizers.
"Philanthropic colonization is a failure. National colonization will succeed"
"Since I invoke Torah so often, let me state that I don't personally believe in the God it postulates ... I am not religious, nor were the majority of the early builders of Israel believers. Yet their passion for this land stemmed from the Book of Books ... [The Bible is] the single most important book in my life. -David Ben-Gurion
"I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" -David Ben-Gurion
"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."