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[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 16 points 1 month ago

Nah, there's nothing louder than silence.

Wipe all expression from your face, and stare at them. Maybe just an expression of incredulity if this is out of character for them. That's all it takes.

Bystanders will literally stop what they're doing and watch. Their brains will scream "I'm about to be excluded from the group", and they'll start babbling. They'll confess their sins and be harsher on themselves than anything you could say

If you don't like their next words, give them nothing. Literally don't respond, anything you give them is closure. Don't give them closure, move on with your life - they can't.

Don't give them judgement, give them nothing. If you judge them, they can turn themselves into a victim or you into an enemy... Without a response, the only enemy is themselves, because they will crave your approval.

It's like a teacher staring down a student who keeps talking until the whole class is looking at them, except they don't know what to do to make it stop. So they try anything and wrack their brain for a solution. It seriously freaks people out

Note: this is less likely to work against neurodivergent people, they'll just be confused. That's how I learned to do this - I got annoyed and straight up asked a therapist why they kept staring at me when I was done talking. They explained the concept of a pregnant pause, and so I started using it.

And acquaintances started telling me how they were abused to explain their behavior and strangers started confessing how they cheated on their partners out of nowhere.

I get a lot of long apology emails the day after someone wrongs me, I now make an effort to give closure to everyone I like early and often.

Humans are tortured by this

[-] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I'm mostly onboard here, but there's some nuance to consider.

Wipe all expression from your face, and stare at them. [...] Bystanders will literally stop what they’re doing and watch.

Fact. Monkey see, monkey do. If you physically pass as someone older and wiser, this works even better.

Their brains will scream “I’m about to be excluded from the group”, and they’ll start babbling. They’ll confess their sins and be harsher on themselves than anything you could say

Plausible, but I think this outcome is one of many possible. Pressing on an individual's psychological weak-spots can trigger a fight/flight/freeze/fawn reflex; your anecdotes are centered on the "fawn" response. I would caution the reader that, unless you know that person well, you really can't predict which of the four you will get in this situation. If doing this you MUST be prepared for that fight reflex to kick in; they may get mouthy and/or physical. Social justice is important, but do take your opponent's height, weight, build, and if they are armed into account, before proceeding.

[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 3 points 1 month ago

Nah, that's the beauty of it. You're not the enemy. You're not attacking them. You're giving them absolute attention, but giving nothing back

It's pure judgement. And they don't know the verdict yet

Their fight response won't be aimed at you, but they'll certainly throw others under the bus. They might lash out at you, but they'll quickly wilt when you still give with nothing. It's just angry human noises, ignore them

Their flight response won't kick in, because it overrides human instincts. Walking away is a conscious decision in this case, and most humans aren't self aware enough to choose it

It's the third path. You take all the power in the interaction, you cut off the other roads, and you engineer a choice that is only fawn or slink away quietly in defeat

[-] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Ah, so that's the key. I'm not eager to try this, but I'll absolutely keep it in mind should I need it. Thank you.

[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 1 month ago

You're very welcome, this is exactly the kind of tool I want to put in the right hands

But I do hope you don't need it, so there's also variants I hope you will use

The pregnant pause is the version I derived it from - instead of blanking your body language, you project encouragement and full attention. It makes people feel awkward, but it gives them the urge to keep talking to fill the silence

It's a therapy tool, but great for any kind of teaching - for example, I have a friend with bad imposter syndrome who I've been mentoring in software development for the last few years. When I help him, he has a bad habit of shutting off his brain and second guessing himself. I've been telling him for a decade he has an aptitude for it, but all he saw was how I could glance at his code and zero in on the problem... But I've been doing this for almost 2 decades and I also have an aptitude for it, and no matter how much I tell him "it's just experience, and you're genuinely good at this" or "I only know because I've been in your situation before" he would shut down

So I'd hit him with the pregnant pause after asking a leading question to get him thinking along the correct lines. Sometimes he's already too frazzled to think and I'll just tell him the answer before it drags on uncomfortably long and he feels stupid, but usually he knows and I'll give him validation before expanding on the topic

Last week, he called me to tell me he did the same thing for someone else. The week before, someone accused him of causing a bug and he stood his ground without rereading his code (correctly). He regularly calls me to tell me about a lesson of mine that has helped him, and more and more I have nothing more to add, I'm looking forward to the day when he pushes back against me

The key here is lack of judgement - you have to find a reason to give them validation immediately. From there you can break it down or correct them, but they need to feel good at the moment you give your verdict, even if what they said is wrong. Only then you correct them or expound on the topic

It's good for any time you want to get someone talking or make them feel awkward - you can use it for jokes, teaching, or encouraging them to get something off their chest. So long as you do it right, it builds trust and deepens relationships - and again, the important bit is they must walk away feeling like you didn't judge them when they opened up

Just be sure you want that deeper relationship with that person - everyone has horrible intrusive thoughts sometimes, and if you don't fully believe in their fundamental goodness you might end up hearing things you aren't equipped to deal with

Despite being LGBT+ that friend repeats shit blasted at him from far right social media, and I know he's not that person so I help him unpack it and get to the core truths behind it (and he's come a long way). I know my sister and closest brother are very empathic people, so when they say shit out of left field I know to break it down instead of taking it at face value

People often don't know what they're saying, because propaganda works - if you encourage people to open up to you unfiltered, you'll cut deep if you don't come from a place of understanding. But there's great power there - people will tell you exactly what's going on with them, and they'll listen when you dive into it

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