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If Kamala was a garbage candidate, what does that make Trump?
For bonus points, how is it not the voters fault considering any rational answer to the above question? You may open your book to look up topical issues like peace, climate, genocide, rights, hate, juvenile bullying, criminal bullying, felony conviction, bigotry (don't miss misogyny relating to to "garbage candidate", see above), and tariffs.
The guy who told voters what they wanted to hear. "I know you're upset at the world, and I'm going to make it great again."
The best Kamala could do was "I won't do anything differently from the Biden administration."
The constant liar who told voters what they wanted to hear.
You and I both know he's a con artist who won't fix anything. But when voters don't feel like the establishment is listening to them, that's when they become desperate enough to fall for a con artist. Because at least the con artist made them think there was hope.
You can complain about that all you want, but the fact that Bitcoin is reaching new record highs tells me that your average person would rather be conned than be told the truth.
One of these days, the repeatedly record-breaking highs are going to teach those idiots a lesson.
It's at these levels because cyrpto firms were the largest interest group funneling cash into the 2024 election. it remains nothing more than a bigger fool scam, but this time with the US government's seal of approval.
Do you disagree that the SEC has been doing an good job with crypto under the Biden administration?
It is utterly wild to me that Biden had to withdraw from the race because he was so unpopular and the Harris team was like, let’s just tie ourselves as snugly to that man as possible. Real brain geniuses on that team. I just read she was relying on a ex uber exec. And it all made sense.
Definitely a catch-22. Throw Biden under the bus and you'll come across as two-face and people will wonder why you went along with the administration in the first place. Support Biden and his detractors will see no reason to vote for you either.
Having said that, the answer to "what would you do different?" should have never been "id put a Republican in my cabinet." I think the last 3 weeks of Harris's campaign is going to go down as one of the biggest fumbles in political history.
Nah, the outcome of the elections was probably determined a year ago. And the fact the billionaire class threw their weight behind Trump, made sure she never had a real chance.
It was determined in 2020. Biden only beat Trump because of covid-19, and was never going to solve the fundamental economic problems that are causing unrest.
And this made it arguably worse cause now they had 4 years to prepare between shifts.
She didn’t have a chance as soon as she gave up trying to convince her base to vote FOR her. Biden got ten million more votes because he lied about reforming the cops, dealing with Covid, not doing genocides in the Middle East, etc. Harris could have fucking lied about those things and won.
Well. And the fact that Biden apparently lied about something that would really kick off in the future shows he had clairvoyance.
But yeah the Dems where not trump, and gave up on arguing things like migration, conceding these points to Trump. And constantly blaring the economy is great while many Americans are hurting bad shows sanders was right. They abandoned the working class. The working class then thought.. well at least maga will do something.. let's hope this time it trickles down.
I'll just wonder how the electorate will fare under trump.. I fear worse.
Much worse. Everything Trump has talked about is inflationary and anti worker.
If that's all it takes, I can do that. Apparently following through doesn't matter. Though TBF, who actually follows through on most of what they say? 🤷
Turns out, lecturing the voters doesn't make them want to vote for you. Everything you said is correct, but those weren't the concerns that resonated. To quote Bill Clinton's strategist in 92, "it's the economy, stupid." Yeah, the economy is doing great right now, but you have to ask, "for who?"
I agree that right now, our economists have a terrible way of defining a “good economy”. They have praise for a set of numbers such as the stock market rates, which have almost no connection to the well-being of common people.
We need more medians and fewer averages; not to measure wealth when it’s spread among the extremes.
It's not the economy, it's a popularity contest when the majority of the electorate stop choosing candidates based on what they do and have done and instead only pay attention to what they say or choose based on uninformed vibes.
Exit polling overwhelmingly disagrees with you. The number one stated reason was the economy.
Which economic policy did they report was the deciding factor?
Now you're going to try and nit pick to back peddle? The economy was the star of the show and Kamala didn't have an easy to understand answer. The messaging, as always, was piss poor from the democrats.
47th President of the USA?
The 47th POTUS.
Every single one of those issues was put to measure last week and came up short to "the economy." Idpol has been the Dem's running charge since Occupy and has netted them exactly (1) election since Obama's win as incumbent. It's just not the winning strategy in national elections.
Even then, Bidens win was despite that, not because of it.
Exactly. Milquetoast old white man got the most votes of any president ever. Work with that.
The COVID situation was so specific that it 1) will never happen again, so don't count on it, and 2) let a single-issue candidate win.
None of those issues mattered because the US system showed everyone it did not matter.
The system had 4 years to enact any form of consequences and there where none. That MUST mean trump was right and it was all lies and nonsense aimed at discrediting him.
And Trumps campaign ran on idpol this time.. is she black? Illegal mexicans in prison getting sex changes, kids getting sex changed.. you know, the counter to dem IdPol. They pulled it into the extreme and the Dems took the bait.. they did not push back.
With the blatant lies of the magas and their fragile egos.. I think the only thing that might have made a difference is call trump fat and stupid, bully him to his face and see if you can make him throw a tantrum or make him cry. Same with Vance.. are you wearing eyeliner? Would you not be more comfortable on a couch?
Trump won. Sadly this means he was the better candidate. Which damning for the Democrats because he's dog shit.
Ok...
Weird this hasn't come up before for you.
But different people have different standards.
For Republican voters, it's usually just the letter by someone's name.
Dem voters have always had higher standards than Republican voters.
Because the entire point of a candidates campaign is to get votes. And Kamala and her campaign couldn't even beat fucking trump.
For all those reasons you just listed he's terrible, Kamala still couldn't beat him.
What metric do you think a candidate and their campaign should be judged by except number of votes?
Bonus points:
Why don't you think a shit tier opponent wouldnt make it easier? And how can a candidate who can't beat trump not be considered "garbage"?
People insisting "no, Kamala Harris was the better candidate!" Are exactly the people this meme are calling out.
Clearly she wasn't. That doesn't mean she was a worse human being than Trump. That's a hard standard to beat. But she was a worse candidate because she lost the election to him, which is the one thing you need to do in order to be the better candidate.
Since the election I've written comments the length of essays attempting to explain what you just put so succinctly. "She was a worse candidate because she lost the election to him, which is the one thing you need to do" 100% this.
For what it's worth, I do try to make the distinction between her and her campaign. She might have been the winning candidate had her campaign made different decisions, but at the end of the day, she's responsible for her campaign. They can't force her to say anything she doesn't want to.
I think there's a lot of people talking past each other because they don't agree on what the purpose of being a candidate is. We might think it's getting elected, others might think it's being the best representation of the party. Obviously, she wasn't option 1, but some people may think she was better because they are libs who agree with her ideologically and are somehow still under the delusion that Rs represent state rights, "godliness", and fiscal responsibility. They see Trump and think "how can people say he's a better representative of Rs than Kamala is of Ds" and the answer is that they have no idea what Rs want and are incapable of recognizing the broad spectrum of people that normally vote D. I hope people can rid themselves of that kind of thinking because it's obviously not serving them or the party. Either recognize that candidates need to be ELECTED to mean anything, or be prepared to be in this same position for the foreseeable future.
If I had a 95 meter head start on Usain bolt in the 100m, I could probably beat him. That doesn't make me a better runner.
Do you think Trump was unbeatable?
Nah, but he had some serious advantages. Dems would do better to talk about why voters gave him preference on things like the economy. And of course, voters would do better to vote their self-interest
Dems should do better to talk about why they didn't focus on the economy, when that's what the electorate wanted them to focus on. It's not their job to tell the electorate what's more important to them.