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They had 350 car manufacturers. Normal to have some of these be losers.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/williampesek/2025/01/17/is-chinas-gdp-growth-only-2-donald-trump-might-want-to-find-out/
This is propaganda heavy. Gemini says source of claim is western "Rhodium Group". https://rhg.com/research/after-the-fall-chinas-economy-in-2025/
That report while still propaganda lets us see through the propaganda with their reasoning.
China has better economic statistics reporting than even US, and claim that they've always been lying is the best shit talk we can come up with.
Rhodium points to not being able to separate government investment/spending from consumer spending in data. Looking at Alibaba sales is distracting if car sales are up 4.5%. Massive Chinese investments in renewable energy deployments, and other infrastructure (military production) can explain the reported GDP growth. Still consistent with lower cement use (investments in non cement using infrastructure). Lower diesel use is the result of their EV success, and LNG conversions of trucking. Rhodium is still expecting 2025 to match CCP expectations.
US GDP includes 11% as "Owner's equivalent rent", a non economic imputation that is higher with higher interest rates. It also includes "underpaid health services" as a GDP addition/boost even though US healthcare is 5 basis% of GDP higher than Canada without that adjustment. Worrying about fake GDP from China is a a favorite loser pastime. But (constant) projections of imminent collapse there are overblown, while the highly contracting austerity measures needed in US to stabilize debt would be depressionary.
Thank you for that heads up to find the link. I can't assure you that there is no reason to doubt Chinese economic numbers. I can assure you that they have the fiscal ammunition to push through any trade wars or other difficulties, that US does not. It is not a basis for going all in on US subserviences vs China cooperation.
Zhu Hengpeng, who worked for a Chinese government thinktank for more than 20 years, disappeared a few months ago after making disparaging remarks on China's economy, including the GDP growth and other metrics. You'll find ample evidence for this.
Thanks for this. If you don't have better sources than Gemini, I end this discussion.
I linked the rhodium group analysis, and addressed it.
Apparently not known what he said to get fired.