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I cannot for the life of me understand how someone could willingly boars one of those monstrosities
Last cruise I went on, I was 15. I don't remember it being very good. Everyone was either shitting themselves about getting norovirus, or shitting themselves because they'd got norovirus. The excursions were boring and obviously done on the cheap, and I was neither old enough to drink, or young enough to fully enjoy the kids club (I will admit I was fucking amazing at dancing to Cotton Eye Joe on Just Dance though). That and there was a 13-year-old that tried to throw herself overboard and had to be dragged from the railings by other teenagers.
The ship was nothing like that though, it was the P&O ship Oriana, which is a little more reserved. It retired in 2019 and is now a cruise ship in China called the the Piano Land.
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They're a vacation where everything is taken care of for you. Find a spot, read a book, get all the drinks you want. Need food? Walk over to the chosen food place. Even with thousands of people on board, you can generally find a quiet spot with drinks.
There's all-inclusive resorts, yes, and I've found they're generally more expensive than cruises. If you make your resort hotel float, it's cheaper. I don't know why.
I'd only go anymore if it's a trip that would show things you generally can't see other ways, such as the coast of Alaska or Norway, or going through the Panama Canal. Caribbean cruises are an absolute waste.
Because you can get away with following very few regulations if you’re in international waters, and pollute the shit out of the environment. Cruises are horrible, environmentally speaking.
My wife’s family loves cruises. I have made it very clear that I am morally opposed and will not join them on one, but her mom has tried to schedule a cruise as a family vacation anyway at least twice. I think she now finally understands I’m not going to be convinced by being told how much fun they are, after I outright said, “I understand they’re awesome, I’m sure I would love it, but I am not going to support that industry and its practices.”
At one point I honestly think she thought if she just got it scheduled and everyone else was onboard I’d come along. Fortunately she never got that far.
(I promise she’s actually a pretty cool person, I love my mother-in-law very much, but she can be stubborn.)
The polluting the waters they go bit is one of my only concerns to push back against. Depends on the ship but they shouldn't be actively polluting the water and when they do it is a mistake or the annoyance of lack of laws letting someone be lazy.
Food waste is sterilized and neutralized to be be able to either dump into the ocean if it can or be disposed of later. All trash is sorted and recycled or burned for fuel with scrubbers removing heavy pollutants from the smoke stack.
Quite a few ships actually get unprocessed gas as the processing generates the lubricant they need for the engines and allows for less chemical release at the site of the processing. And is offloaded once spent to chemical handling companies.
They even purify their own water before dumping it using algae and enzymes before uv sterilizing it.
They just mess shit up in ways that are also hard to explain, such as oasis class ships were so large that then traveling to Venice had an issue where the vibrations of the motors were shaking the foundation of the city and causing parts to collapse. Their wake churns algae from water oxygenation and so much more. But they are more or less just a city on the water with all the ups and downs of a regular one with more classism.
There are a lot of things they’re supposed to do that they don’t.
FoE has “report cards” on the major companies and they’re all awful.
In addition to the stuff the other person said, they can also dodge labor laws and pay people substandard wages, providing inadequate health& safety benefits, and get you close to a high-value location without paying for real estate or contributing to the local tax base.
Cruises are bad. Period.
Apart from the terrible environmental effects, they're a blast. I'm not in for slides and shit, but the full experience is generally really enjoyable. If you like to travel, it's also a good way to trial destinations before committing to a long vacation somewhere.
Trial what destinations exactly? Arrive at Island port. Hecklers everywhere. Arrive at next Island. More hecklers. Rinse and repeat.
"Damn, I had a blast!"
I'm telling you, a Euro-trip on rail will net you more adventure and better pacing with vastly more interesting destination. Possibly even comfort, if you take sleeper trains.
I'm hoping they'll ban these cruise ships from the Mediterranean altogether.
What you explained is what I'd expect someone who's never been on a cruise before to describe a cruise. Sure, there's hecklers at the port immediately off the boat. Walk out of that area and it goes away, like every tourist destination.
Most cruise stops that I've been on have been around 8 hours, which is ample time to experience a bit of a location. I have only been on two cruises, so I'm by no means a seasoned traveler.
Unfortunately, the Caribbean doesn't have a rail system between the islands, so boating is the main option. While most cruises aren't luxury, and to get a suite is $$$, they are comfortable rides, almost assuredly more comfortable than a train, barring rough seas, which I've experienced once, and it wasn't that bad. They are slower than trains, but they have a dozen floors, 100 bars, pools, live entertainment, and a plethora of other things. I have enjoyed some of my at seas days more than some stops. Finally, vastly more interesting destinations is extremely subjective. There are cruises that go all over the world, so the number and choices of destinations is huge.
I'm not going to argue you least point. Like I first mentioned, they're terrible for the environment. All of my words above are just in response to, "why would anyone get one one of these", not to defend the existence of cruises.
Sure, but cruises are limited to basically just coastline and port cities, whereas literally any other mode of transportation can get you to all of those places too, plus all the other 90% of land on the planet. Saying "the number and choices of destinations is huge" is technically correct, but basically meaningless when you compare it with all other modes of transportation.
Really the only places cruises can go that other modes maybe can't is:
I can kinda see why someone would take a cruise to the first item, but I can't bring myself to understand the second. Like, cruising around the empty ocean for days/weeks on end sounds so boring that you'd need "12 floors, 100 bars, live entertainment, and a plethora of other things" to make it even bearable. They created their own problem (finding entertainment in the middle of empty ocean) and solved it in the most brute force, environmentally unsustainable, and legally sketchy way possible.
When you port somewhere, you can rent a vehicle or take a taxi to places not in the port town. If you want to travel to various tropical islands, you can fly or float, it's not like there are a bunch of transportation options that can take you everywhere.
I'm not saying that rail is a worse option, I'm saying that cruises are fun, and that's why people go on them, which was the initial question I responded to.
Clearly you've never experienced what a cruise is like. You're coming to these conclusions that just aren't based on reality. A cruise ship is a small town full of entertainment. If there were no entertainment, yea, floating in the ocean would get boring after a few hours, unless you're into that kind of thing. They are mobile resorts, and when you wake up, you're in a new location. They aren't over crowded, except when everyone is boarding and leaving, but that's true with literally every form of mass transportation.
Some people take cruises and never leave the boat. They like to relax by the pool, enjoy the spa, partake in on board activities, gamble in the casino, eat all of the included free food or drinks, or whatever.
I'm not defending the environment part, or the legally sketchy stuff, but they're entertaining.
I'm sharing subjective opinions based on my own preferences and lived experiences. Sorry they don't match up with yours, but we're having a disagreement about big boats, not a crisis of reality.
Correct, because they don't interest me, and I'm not convinced enough by the people that like cruises to warrant spending the money on them.
There are thousands of existing "small towns full of entertainment" I'd rather go to than a cruise. I don't need my resort to be mobile, and if I want to end up in a new location, I'll book travel to that location. I don't need to go on a cruise to relax by a pool, or enjoy a spa, or partake in any of the mundane activities offered on board, or gamble in a casino, or eat food and drink drinks. Cruises don't offer anything unique that I can't find somewhere else, other than the novelty of being a cruise, and that novelty just doesn't interest me.
I'm saying the conclusions you're coming to that are wrong are things like, your stuck in a port town, or there's nothing to do out at sea. That's it. I'm not trying to convince you to go on a cruise, I'm still in reference to the OG question, why would anyone get on a cruise. You provided counter points that I'm refuting as not factual. You've not experienced a cruise, and you shouldn't based on your feelings towards boats, but you speak as though you have and are providing anecdotes.
Cruises aren't for everyone, but they are entertaining, that's the whole point I'm trying to make.
I said you're basically limited to coastline and port cities to point out the contrast to other modes of travel that aren't nearly as restricted. You either missed that point, or you're being pedantic.
My point was that without cruise ships, there would be nothing to do out at sea. Cruise ships solve the problem of "there's nothing to do or at sea", but in an unnecessary and dumb way, in my opinion. So again, I think you missed the point of what I was trying to say.
Ultimately I don't really care what anyone's opinion on cruises are. What I do care about is making sure I'm understood correctly, hopefully this helps.
Just being out on the sea is by itself a worthwhile experience, in my opinion. At least the first time. like flying, it is super boring sitting in a plane for multiple hours. But the first time being above the clouds is cool.
What is a heckler? Like the people who interrupt stand ups? I went on two cruises with my family when I was a kid. And I can assure you the only stand-up anyone experiences is on the ship in between ports.
I think they're referring to hawkers, or people on the streets harassing you to buy something. I don't know why everyone here is calling them hecklers and not confused by that.
It’s all about the attitude you have going into the trip, my friend. There will be hecklers wherever you go, if you set your mind to look for them.
What is enjoyable about a floating, overcrowded shopping center that makes you seasick?
What's wrong with floating? The boats are huge. Unless it's rough seas, you don't know that you're on water.
All of the shipping centers are in lower floors dedicated to shopping. Don't want to buy anything? Just don't go to floor 7, it's that easy to avoid. If you get seasick, then maybe cruises aren't for you, but motion sickness medicine is available for those that do have the ailment. If pulled off the side of a catamaran in Hawaii, which is when I found out that I do get motion sickness. That's never been an issue in a cruise for me. Again, they are so large, it's like not being on a boat at all.
All of you arguments stem down to, "why would someone go on a trip that they don't want to go on?" The answer is, don't, but there are a ton of reasons that people do. I don't go to casinos and gamble, because they're dirty and I don't like gambling.
Cruises would be pretty interesting if once out at sea they released 30 wild boar.
What about 50 of them? Or perhaps some number between those two numbers, inclusively?
there is absolutely nothing i find appealing about going to a theme park that's been crammed onto a boat and being surrounded by rich tourists and screaming kids. and of course someone picks up some exotic flu strain on an excursion and now the entire ship is sick.
thanks, but i'll pass
If you are talking about the shape (wider on the top than on the bottom), it's not really a problem.
If you are talking about any other thing, you are probably right.
Yeah I mean there's a laundry list but that didn't even cross my mind.
I’ve been invited on a few cruises.
I was in the navy, and immediately launch into a tirade about how top heavy and unsafe those things are.
“Well it’s never been a problem for us”
Okie dokie, I took statistics, so hard pass all the same :)
Statistics about top heavy cruise ships being unsafe? I suppose germs, but since you preceded that they are unsafe with being top heavy, I'm guessing you weren't talking about germs.
I mean the danger of capsizing in a cruise ship is vanishingly tiny, and the Navy has similarly top heavy vessels, like aircraft carriers. They have massive keels, and their displacement is so huge that rough seas mean almost nothing to them. You're far more likely to die in millions of more common activities than to a cruise ship capsizing. I don't really see how taking statistics is helping your argument at all, as statistics are on the cruise's side. Driving or riding in a car is far more dangerous.
Now, cruise ships suck for other reasons, like their exploitation of poor countries and massive carbon emissions. Arguing against cruise ships from a statistical safety standpoint is like arguing against airplanes because they could crash, regardless of how likely. The cruise ship excursions and activities on board are more dangerous than their seaworthiness.
Because they're fun.