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[–] ceiphas@feddit.de 131 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You say that targetting only the top 5% restricts the adoption rate. Consider me shocked...

[–] harry_balzac@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's almost as if consumers influence markets.

[–] blazera@kbin.social 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)

unfortunately we have to have a competing option to vote for with our wallets. There is not a single affordable EV available in the US.

[–] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The Chevy Bolt and Nissan Leaf are both under $30k, and there's a Mini Cooper that's just barely over $30k. There's only 1 other car from Chevy that's cheaper than the Bolt, and only 2 models from Mini cheaper than their EV. Nissan seems to be a leader with cheap cars, with 6 cheaper models than the Leaf. When you add in the tax rebates for buying electric that reduces the price an additional $7500.

[–] blazera@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just 20k more to go to compete with what chinese drivers have access to.

[–] Blamemeta@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Well yeah. We have safety laws. You cant build a car out of chinesium and have it pass US Safety tests.

[–] blazera@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You know whats safe? A smaller, cheaper engine with a lower top speed. I dont need hundreds of miles of range and 100mph top speed

[–] Blamemeta@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Well you need a strong engine to get up to speed in a decent amount of time, and to go up hills full loaded. You also need tall gears for fuel efficiency. Combined, it means almost every production car can go 100+ mph.

Also range? Thats just a gas tank. A 10 gallon gas tank will take most small cars 300 miles, its not a lot. Why focus on range? Seems weird to me.

[–] blazera@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sorry im used to engines, we're talking about EV's. Thats something other countries have as an option, lower speed, lower range, more affordable vehicles.

[–] Blamemeta@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ah, so do we. Off highway vehicles. Few use them as a daily because why would you? A 10 year old used car is much better choice than anything new, if you want affordable, and you get the speed and range

[–] blazera@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not off highway, street legal. Legal to drive on the 40mph roads we have in town. For climate purposes, gas price reasons, and fewer moving parts and maintenance involved, i want an electric vehicle.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

I couldn't agree more. For now, my options are electric scooters/bikes. Which are pretty great but don't have air conditioning!

The US will continue to trail behind the rest of the world in this industry due to the greed and ~~lobbying~~ bribery of the auto companies.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You need a 20 lb electric motor to have absolutely butt-kicking torque in an EV.

[–] Blamemeta@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, the battery is gonna weigh a lot.

[–] Yoddel_Hickory@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago

As if American cars had any reputation for reliability XD

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's great. Half of America needs a 15k car. That's the magic number for Mass adoption.

And where are you going to find any new car in the US for $15k? The average cost of a new car in the US this year was over $40k, and there are several EV options available for practically anyone in the market for a new car.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.social 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If we start with an expensive sports car we will make enough money that it will eventually trickle down to affordable vehicles.

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Porsche does have an EV, and there's an EV mustang now (only $45k, which shocked me)

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think it is at least as much about maturity of the technology, and competition in the market. Obviously we all want better cheaper cleaner cars. That hasn't suddenly changed.

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

There are several EVs out now for under $50k, and a few under $40k, so things are improving.