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A well regarded artistic mind being kind of a piece of shit? I am shocked! I'm just thankful personal favorites of mine like Orson Scott Card, J.K. Rowling, and H.P. Lovecraft are fine, upstanding individuals who've dodged controversy at every turn.
Wait hold on... He's a massive homophobe? She said what? He named his cat that?
Oh... well... umm... lovely weather we're having huh?
That's the nice thing about being a Terry Pratchett fan. The more I learn about him, the more I love him.
And Tolkien. Fuck his estate though
And L Ron Hubbard! Wait...
To be fair, the name of Lovecraft's cat was the tip of the iceberg when it came to him. I love the world building he did, but it's kind of hard to read a lot of his stories filled with big-lipped, dark savages. On the other hand, with Lovecraft, it seemed less a case of "white people are superior" and more a case of "all of humanity deserves to be thrown into the hellbeast pit, but white people should be thrown in last," which is... still racist, but I guess not supremacist exactly?
Apparently his Jewish wife occasionally had to remind him who he married when he would go off on an antisemitic tirade, which I find quite amusing.
Nope. Lovecraft was about as white supremacist as it gets - he literally excused lynchings of black folks and the KKK's terrorism because, supposedly, white people had to resort to "extra-legal measures" to protect themselves from (supposed) "mongrelisation."
Ie, just your bog-standard white supremacism on a stick.
What I really love about Lovecraft was how inclusionary the community around the Cthulhu mythos has become.
See 'origin.'
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/hp-lovecrafts-cat
The cats name was Nagger Man it was a black cat, and lovecraft was terrified of black people.
Except not exactly that. There's one different vowel.
That’s a lot of deflection of personal self hate.
I remember reading a biography (autobiography maybe; forget who actually wrote it) on HP Lovecraft where it mentioned his cats name and I thought "well he was from the 1800's so product of the time..." and then find out the dude was so racist, the KKK kicked him out.
So glad someone is calling out card here.
Orson Scott card is a pile of shit.
And his work is shit. I have no idea why so many adults think that young adult level writing and storytelling is the work of a master.
Yeah I thought Enders Game was the best book ever when I read it in like 4th or 5th grade. I read through the whole series of books over the next few years and enjoyed them at the time. I went back to read Enders Game as an adult and realized I just really enjoyed the wish fulfillment in reading about a bullied kid smashing the bullies face in then running shit. You’re right, it’s a pretty basic book and I have no idea why any adult would hold it or Card up as anything but basic. The only good thing I have to say about it as an adult is that it helped ignite my love of science fiction.
Tbf the first books of misunderstood child prodigy messiah in a sci fi setting were pretty good. The lack of much deviation for everything following sucked. Then there’s his politics…
Enders game is pretty simplistic outcast juvenile wish fulfillment. If you read it as a kid I am sure it seemed more than space Harry potter but meh. I don't know how it could be more pandering without a committee of child psychologists helping write it.
i don't particularly recall that it was intended for young adults at the time. it was just genre fiction.
Card's short story collection, Unaccompanied Sonata, is great.
Yeah, I don't read them either. Plenty of good art that's not written by assholes.
i figure, if you dig far enough into most any creator, you are more likely to find an asshole than not. the effect increases with increasing remove (ie they lived a long time ago).
i don't say this to excuse what's problematic, but i believe bad people can make good art, and also that most people aren't angels.
Yeah I try not to judge. But when there's patterns of behavior and abuse I'm done. Note the word patterns.
Everyone has isolated fuck ups on their past that's just part of being human. But when people are consistently assholes and show no remorse, why would I give them my support?
Other people can appreciate their art if they want. I'm not making it an ethical argument for everybody else. It just feels icky to me. So I don't enjoy it. So I don't consume it.
i will confess, i find it harder to like Frank Lloyd Wright and Picasso than i used to. i suppose this is the meaning of "never meet your heroes." they very often disappoint; sometimes you might never see their work the same way.