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Nato summit: Ukraine on 'irreversible path' to membership (www.bbc.com)

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Nato members have pledged their support for an "irreversible path" to future membership for Ukraine, as well as more aid.

While a formal timeline for it to join the military alliance was not agreed at a summit in Washington DC, the military alliance's 32 members said they had "unwavering" support for Ukraine's war effort.

Nato has also announced further integration with Ukraine's military and members have committed €40bn ($43.3bn, £33.7bn) in aid in the next year, including F-16 fighter jets and air defence support.

The bloc's Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said: "Support to Ukraine is not charity - it is in our own security interest."

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[-] Eximius@lemmy.world 34 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Sorry, but as Eastern European, we begged for NATO membership because of constant (>200 years) Russian occupation hazard. We only care about America as a strong ally (of many) in the NATO group, there is no imperialism, direct, indirect, effective or otherwise interprettable. It's a purely defensive pact with all its tenets clearly and publicly laid out.

We could not fight back alone and we wouldnt be able to, because just as to Ukraine and as to Nazis, the amount of meat Russia (yes the whole country, not just Putin) is willing to throw into the meatgrinder is incomprehensible.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

Also, these sorts don't seem to realize that NATO is on Russia's border regardless of Ukraine's status. Even before Russia invaded and Finland joined NATO.

They've never looked at a fucking map.

[-] nyctre@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

I mean... When they're claiming russia applied to NATO and was rejected... What did you expect, a sound and reasonable mind? They're literally just repeating their propaganda, nothing more.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Oh I know, but I've heard that particular lie about Russia not wanting NATO on their border being behind the invasion way too many times. NATO has literally been bordering Russia since its inception.

[-] nyctre@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Yeah, fair. That's the easiest, most obvious piece of propaganda to debunk ever. And they swallow it like it's putin's cum. Oh well... I hope they at least enjoy the taste.

[-] Freefall@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Also with modern power projection....we don't have to be on your border....

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -5 points 4 months ago

[-] Freefall@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Because countries wanted to join the defensive pact.....this isn't even hard.....

[+] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -43 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Russia might still have invaded without NATO provocation. However while Russia is evil, they do have a very valid point in not wanting NATO next to their border.

Especially since Russia's NATO application got rejected.

[-] thetreesaysbark@sh.itjust.works 28 points 4 months ago

Ukraine not joining NATO

Russia invade Ukraine

NATO now very open to Ukraine joining due to a Russian threat.

See how Russia is causing the NATO membership? Not preventing it.

To me it feels like Russia saying they're invading due to NATO is just a smokescreen for something else, and a way to get support from their population.

And as it's caused the NATO membership, Russians can now say "see! We told you so! They are joining just like we said!", ignoring that they've directly caused this outcome.

I wonder if the main reason for this is just to try and better secure the black sea for some reason.

[-] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 14 points 4 months ago

Russia didn't just cause NATO membership for Ukraine, they're the reason NATO was formed in the first place.

People should learn about WWII and the roots of these problems. Spend some time with the atrocities coming out of the USSR as they butchered and raped their way through peaceful countries in Europe.

[+] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2022/2/pdf/220214-factsheet_NATO-Ukraine_Relations_.pdf

June 2017, the Ukrainian Parliament adopted legislation reinstating membership in NATO as a strategic foreign and security policy objective. In 2019, a corresponding amendment to Ukraine’s Constitution entered into force.

In September 2020, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy approved Ukraine’s new National Security Strategy, which provides for the development of the distinctive partnership with NATO with the aim of membership in NATO

Also relevant is Zelensky staging a coup in Ukraine in 2014 to overthrow the Russian puppet regime that was in place at that time. Meaning Russia lost control over Ukraine politically.

[-] thetreesaysbark@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Right. And if I say that I'm changing my diet to fit with my neighbours, that doesn't make me part of neighbour's family.

I get what you're saying, they were aligning themselves to become NATO members. That's not the same as what's happening now though where NATO are saying "yes we want them in", which is an outcome Russia has caused by this invasion.

Edit- just another note..both of these occurred since Russia annexed Crimea, which could definitely be construed as aggressive behaviour on Russia's part. Again pointing towards Russia causing an outcome they're claiming to have a problem with.

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