This case has been going on for a while. Offhand, I can think of at least three toddlers who killed themselves or someone else using a gun that the owner knew was loaded.
None of those adults has been arrested. But the guy who was told his gun had blanks is responsible?
I think it’s bc he is also a producer. The case hinges on him being responsible for safety of the crew and being repeatedly negligent.
This one is his negligence trial, in the trial about him as a producer it came out that he was also messing around with the gun on set and had fired blanks at the crew between takes among other unsafe behaviors.
Jesus christ, firing blanks is still dangerous. If there is an obstruction in the barrel it can still act like a projectile.
One of ten producers. And the one who was mostly in charge fundraising.
The people who were actually in charge of safety and the guns told Baldwin it was safe.
This is omitting the detail that members of the crew had brought up safety concerns about the firearms handlers and production went on.
They had an inexperienced armorer on set raising all sorts of red flags, production was made aware, show went on.
Baldwin is on set when many producers probably weren't. He's got his fair shame of blame in this, and the armorer as well.
So it's not exactly about the shooting itself but creating the negligent conditions that allowed it to happen. From what I understand, as a producer he had his crew cut as many safety corners as possible to reduce costs. His direction to cut corners led to oversights in safety, which led to the prop masters making safety mistakes and accidentslly loading a live round into a firearm designated as a prop, which led to a person dying because of an on set accident. If he didn't direct his crew to cut corners, the chances of somebody dying is dramatically reduced and makes this line of work incredibly safe despite the potentially dangerous implements used.
So the case is about "did the executive decisions Baldwin make to cut corners on safety contribute to the death of someone on set?"
Again, I point out that parents of children who killed/died aren't being held to the same level of responsibility.
They should be. Is that your point? That they should be, because I think any sane person would agree.
If you're arguing that the responsible parties in this incident shouldn't be prosecuted because another person is getting away with manslaughter… well that's a bit silly isn't it?
I can't tell what your intentions are, because nuance is hard via text
Not to derail but I just want to say that this is an impeccably crafted and balanced comment.
I spotted it too, it is well reasoned with an excellent flow of thought. I appreciate that others see it too and commented on it.
Yes they should be, now leave the non sequitur discussion derailing nonsense at the door and stay on topic. Parents being irresponsible dumbasses has nothing to do with a film exec directing his crew to cut safety corners to save a quick buck.
It sounds like you are saying that unless we prosecute EVERY OTHER case on this issue, we should just forget about it?
If you want logic from American gun culture, you better get comfortable waiting.
Baldwin made fun of Trump a bunch of times on SNL. It had already been ruled involuntary manslaughter, but maga court had a bone to pick.
Additionally - a *half truth from chat frickin GPT:
"In a tense political climate, Alec Baldwin's satirical portrayal of President Donald Trump on "Saturday Night Live" had garnered significant attention and polarized opinions. His impersonations were both celebrated and criticized, drawing ire from Trump supporters who saw his performances as disrespectful and damaging.
On the set of the film "Rust," an unfortunate and tragic accident occurred, leading to the death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins. As investigations began, initial findings suggested that the incident was a result of a series of safety lapses and negligence on the part of the production team, including Baldwin, who was both an actor and a producer on the film.
Enter District Attorney Thomas Harlan, a staunch supporter of President Trump, appointed during Trump's tenure. Harlan had previously expressed disdain for Baldwin's portrayals of Trump, believing them to be part of a broader media conspiracy against conservative values.
Seizing the opportunity presented by the "Rust" incident, Harlan decided to press charges against Baldwin with unusual fervor. He argued that Baldwin's role as a producer made him directly responsible for the safety lapses on set, thus filing charges of involuntary manslaughter against him. Critics claimed that the intensity and speed of the charges were disproportionate compared to similar cases in the industry, suggesting political motivations behind Harlan's actions.
Supporters of Baldwin and various legal analysts argued that the charges were a clear case of political retribution. They pointed out that other individuals with similar roles in previous on-set accidents had not faced such severe charges. Furthermore, they highlighted Harlan's public statements and connections to pro-Trump groups as evidence of his bias.
The media frenzy intensified, with pundits on both sides debating whether Baldwin was being unfairly targeted due to his political satire. This scenario underscores the complexities of mixing legal actions with political motivations, ultimately raising questions about the impartiality of justice in a highly polarized environment."
The arms master has already been charged. No one really knows why live ammo was on set besides it was mixed into the blanks they bought and the arms master didn’t check properly.
I thought the arms master made her own blanks or some other dumb shit.
Nah, she brought real bullets for shooting tin cans during downtime.
Even worse then, she is directly responsible for not making them blanks.
You might be getting confused with the circumstances around Brandon Lee's death on the set of the Crow, which makes sense since that has been a hot topic when discussing the situation on Rust's set. As I understand it, in the case of Lee's death, they had taken live rounds and "converted" them to dummy rounds by removing the bullets, dumping out the gunpowder from the cartridge, and then reinstalling the bullets. However, they did not remove the primer from the cartridges, because they wanted the bottom of the cases to look pristine for shots where the revolver was loaded.
At some point, one of these "dummy" (but still very much not inert, thanks to the primer) rounds was accidentally fired. Because they had removed the propellent, only the primer detonated. This provided enough force to dislodge the bullet from the case, but not enough to expel it out the barrel. No one checked the barrel before a blank was loaded into weapon for the scene where Lee's character was shot. Blank detonated, dummy bullet is dislodged, Lee is killed.
So, while both productions are staggering examples of safety protocol failures on film sets, the circumstances are differ in the details.
The prop master was doing coke and shooting live rounds out of these guns during breaks for fun.
Why can't they use specially made guns for Hollywood. Like, you won't be able to fit real ammo in these weapons to begin with. Let me guess, money. They don't want to spend the money.
I just saw where Guy Ritchie exclusively used air soft guns on The Covenant because it was right after this.
That would've changed Bullet Tooth Tony's speech a bit I guess. "And the fact that you've got Replica written down the side of your guns... Oh and mine does too because this is a movie and we all need to be safe."
If we can make Han Solo shoot second....
Surely we can green screen a wooden prop into a real gun.
I'll even volunteer for the sound effects.
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Yeah I wondered the exact same thing. Seems like an easy solution.
Don't you actually need a working chamber and barrel to use blanks ?
So make a caliber that's only used for prop guns and blanks.
The trick is getting the whole industry to standardize on it
This is pretty much 8mm, which is widely used in blank guns already.
You don't need a working chamber at all; with modern cgi you can make it indistinguishable from the real thing.
Well while that's a pretty great video, it's definitely not "indistinguishable".
I mean, you are correct that it can be made indistinguishable, but this youtube skit ain't that, although it's pretty fucking hilarious.
Look, that was only there in case he or his similarly hot brother has to kill a demon.
Give me a break. Dean is way hotter than Sam and it ain't even close.
Was it a silver bullet?
Might have been a werewolf problem on set, is all I'm saying 🤷
But did they check whether Dean’s was a silver bullet?
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