No they don't.
They wanted Joe to not run again in the first place, and for the DNC to nominate someone else.
Don't get me wrong, biden's administration has done amazing work. We are just so focused on the stupid horse race that we're not actually picking a leader.
The main difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is then Biden isn't a raging narcissist. He has surrounded himself with competent people who are quietly doing a great job of running the government.
They wanted Joe to not run again in the first place, and for the DNC to nominate someone else
Nope.
We wanted fair and open primaries were progressive leaning states didn't have their delegates stolen and every state gets a chance to vote before it's over rather than 4-5 states handpicked by the DNC because they vote moderate.
That increases turnout in the general.
What happened was undemocratic and depresses turnout helping Republicans
The main difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is then Biden isn’t a raging narcissist
If Biden wasn't a narcissist he'd put the safety of the country over his own ambition to stay in the White House after it took 36 years to get the big chair.
Biden implemented many progressive ideas, this is why "left" media (owned by billionaires) are actually attacking him.
Even Bernie is for not replacing him.
The whole campaign to replace him feels very astroturfed and is based on the first debate ignoring everything else.
Progressives have not abandoned Biden because Biden has basically promised them whatever the fuck they want for the next administration so long as they stand behind him. Even AOC is saying she’s with Biden.
I’m not even mad. I would consider taking that gamble as well. But the Biden administration knows that if the progressive wing of the party truly leaves them they are fucked
We are just so focused on the stupid horse race that we're not actually picking a leader.
This 'stupid horse race' is all that stands between us and four more years of Trump
It's clearly not the only thing, but so far only a Republican has tried one of the alternatives.
Speak for yourself. I'd like Biden to step aside.
How far away is the actual election?
Replacing him would be best, but you’ve got to start building a case for someone new in that time.
Building the case in a world where political marketing machines create the narrative in half a day's time and spread it through all the corporate channels.
Not only that, they don't even have to target 3/4 of the country. They just need to hammer Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.
We vote in November
oof ur probably fucked mate
Biden's response:
Yay polls.
I love polls. They’re so great. Always accurate.
They're likely accurate. Anecdotal, but many of my very liberal friends have lost confidence in Biden's ability to lead the Dems to victory, and many people I know who are 'swing voters' are convinced that Biden is senile. That's not getting into the conservatives I know, who I would not regard as having relevant opinions. Furthermore, a number of sitting congressmembers of his own party have expressed that he should step down - which alone is a ruinous and public expression of a loss of confidence at the highest levels for Biden to win the campaign. It's a millstone around his campaign's neck, and even winning them back won't remove it - the only thing that he can do to remove that weight from the Dem ticket is by stepping down himself.
Since the debate I haven't spoken to a single left-leaning person who wants Biden to stay in or thinks he can win. Not one.
I was both until Congresscritters started coming out against him after the debate. I'm willing to accept that seeing him have a bad day - even a really fucking bad one - is not necessarily an indictment of his fitness to run a vigorous campaign, but I knew it was over once sitting Congressmembers were asking him publicly to step down. That's... that's lethal. Regardless of whether or not he's fit to run a campaign.
I think it's not impossible for him to win (though I was in full panic mode when Trump had an assassination attempt and I thought it might be a Dem behind the gun), but IF he does win, it will be wholly in spite of him being the candidate, and it will be an uphill fucking battle the whole way. He no longer advantages the Dem ticket - he's a handicap.
Yeah I've also started trying to figure out, in the grand scheme of things, if there's a scenario where replacing an incumbent would be more beneficial. Like, how bad would the polls have to get before the party stepped in and made an unfortunate but necessary decision? Losing all swing states? Losing Dem lean states? Losing solid blue states? Losing by double digits? Or maybe the candidate would have to get worse? What if he has a stroke in October? What if he dies in October? Is that how bad it would have to get?
The only silver lining I'm seeing right now is the 538 model calling for a Biden win (sorta), and it's predicated on economic fundamentals which I just don't think hold the line like they used to. I think the game has fundamentally changed, as has political typology, and that's the reason he's drowning in swing states.
I genuinely think a change this close to the election would be a terrible mistake. We need Joe now because he refused to step down for too long and the DNC refused to nominate someone else anyway. We're committed
This close? The democratic convention hasn't even happened yet. There's still months to the election proper. Both France and the UK just held elections wherein the entire cycle lasted less than the time we have until election day still. And they had higher voter turnout than the US typically has.
Time is not the problem here. We do not need Biden. There are better candidates.
And this is the difference between democrats and republicans. Even after getting his ass impeached twice, inciting insurrection, getting convicted for rape and felonies - voters and his party are firmly behind Trump.
Whereas Biden must step aside because he stuttered during debate. A lot of people - including those demanding peace in Ukraine and Middle East - are in for a solid pikachu face when they help elect literal Nazi because of these fucking purity tests
I don't think this is about purity tests so much as popularity. People don't want to vote for him. It doesn't matter if he's pure or not.
purity tests
Please explain how both parties having zero standards for their politicians will result in a net positive for the country.
Like, you know we can just run candidates who meet voters standards rather every four years demanding we throw our standards away. Right?
We'd get more votes, less Republicans in office, and more progress when Dems are in office.
What's the downside?
Less pro-corproate moderates who disagree with the party platform?
You're jealous that the fascists fall in line and don't bark back.
One is democratic and dirty, the other is authoritarian. Which alignment practice do you want? I fucking don't want the latter.
3 democrats in my house and none of us think that.
I’ll vote for any D, but Biden should fuck off. The only thing that matters right now is to win. Biden’s fucked.
If the only thing that matters is to win, then Biden shouldn't be the candidate.
Meaningless if you can't get them to agree on a different candidate.
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