Playing hard to get is a big fucking red flag. It shows a lack of maturity and a lack of truthfulness. It also shows a willingness to be deceitful to your partner.
This, right here. Don't date people who play mindgames. Start a relationship the way you mean for it to continue; with open and honest communication.
Yes, obviously flirting is about dropping hints, and that's fine, but at the point where the hinting stops and one party says "I'm into you and I hope you're into me too", there should be no bullshit. If you like someone you show them the basic respect of saying what you fucking mean.
My daughter is almost 5 and I’ve made a conscious effort to stop doing whatever I’m doing if she says stop or no.
For example, tickling. If I’m tickling and she says stop, I stop immediately with no back talk.
Or if I’m copying her in a joking way (we both do it to each other from time to time) and she says stop, that’s it. We’re done.
When I’m snuggling with her after reading books before bed, she feels comfortable enough to say, “you can go now” and I that’s it. I leave with no complaints.
In non-safety situations I ask if I can hold her hand. If she says no, that’s it, I’m not holding her hand. Parking lots are a different matter.
I will continue this throughout her entire upbringing so that if (ok, when) someone continues to do something she has said stop or no to, it will be unambiguously wrong to her.
Later when I explain that “no” is a complete sentence, it should feel intuitive.
Screw the haters. This is awesome. Keep it up.
My only concern with this is that she might get the impression that people will do whatever she asks, but there's a ton of context missing which likely demonstrates those concepts to her.
My only suggestion is to make it clear that if she says no, or stop, and someone doesn't stop, do something about that. I'm sure that will be a discussion later. She sounds young enough for it to not be very important right now.
I appreciate this.
I don't have kids and I'm just some guy on the internet, but I appreciate you nonetheless.
We've been doing this with our kids; and when they say "no" and someone doesn't stop, you better believe they say something about it!
Similarly, we've been getting consent before the doctor checks any underwear space. No pushback from any doctors or nurses for that either.
"No means no" means "no means no." You don't get to have it both ways!
Look, lady, we went through decades of the women's lib movement to finally get guys to respect your wishes and quit harassing you with unwanted advances. But now you expect us to be clairvoyant or some shit when you say "no" but don't really mean it?!
Fuck that! You get respected whether you like it or not.
If I had a dollar for every girl that found me unattractive, girls would find me attractive.
"I'm disappointed that other women have ruined my fetish of being harassed" - toxic feminism enjoyer.
I went home with a lady friend, who invited me into her bed, then said that we're not going to do anything. So, I didn't even try, and we just talked and cuddled. FF to two years later, and we start dating, and she questioned why I didn't try anything that night. Like, duh. A lady says no, it means no. That is what I've had drilled into me as a male since I was a very young age. I'm so damn scared of being called for sexual harassment.
You did the right thing. I helped a lady friend move out from her husband's when they split. She didn't want to stay in a new apartment all alone, so I offered to spend the night on her couch. Well come time to bed down, she wanted me in her bed. Then she wanted to snuggle. Then she started rubbing her backside against my front.
Well I read the signs and we had sex. It was fine. Wind up dating for a bit. Like 3 weeks later we were talking about something and she lays on me, "I never said we could have sex so technically you raped me."
You do not fucking accuse someone of technically rape as playful banter. Things went awkward and downhill after that. Not solely because of that. She was not ready for a relationship that soon after splitting from her husband, but I was young and horny and too inexperienced to possess the level of maturity necessary to understand that.
Anyway, maybe if I had made sure to give her more time it would've gone better. Probably not. But I damn sure wouldn't have gotten accused of rape.
Yeah lady, that's a good thing. Not only for safety, but because normal people don't like stupid head games or trying to guess "is she playing hard to get?"
I have occasionally thought that a woman might be looking for more pushback when they say no, but then I realize that's insane. I have to believe people when they say no because the alternative is a nightmare, and also I don't want to be with someone who doesn't say what they mean.
I don't want to be with someone who doesn't say what they mean.
That's my point of view. I got enough BS going on with my life. I don't want to spend time talking to a partner that won't say what they mean.
I call that respecting a woman's decision. If OOP wants to play silly games then the correct answer is "Maybe".
There's a vast difference between a straight up no and opening a dialogue.
If I ask a girl out and she says sorry I have a boyfriend or sorry you're not my type or no thank you I'm just going to move on.
It's no skin off my back, thank you for letting me know before I waste of my time.
I just wish I had this same level of confidence in my teenage years as I do now.
Like you miss all of the shots that you don't take and I missed so many fucking shots.
I even had one girl laying on the bed next to me telling me about how she's had sex before and would like to try having sex again and I was like "well good luck with that, I mean, you're really pretty so you're probably not going to have any problems"
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--be me high functioning autistic, struggle with social ques.
--begin highschool, theres a cute girl.
--decide to be extra friendly, take every available moment to be beside her and friendly.
-- 2 months go by, still doesnt notice my intent. Decided to be blunt.
-- tell her i like her, romatically. Says cool and walks away,
-- autism engage.mp3
-- do the same shit for 2 weeks
-- she tells me she want to be friends, I respect her wishs tho saddened.
-- walk with her in-between classes like all my other friends.
-- she calls me creepy and to stop stalking her. I explain im not stalking im just being a friend and just enjoy talking inbetween class.
-- 2 weeks go by, she doesnt say anything about me being "creepy"
-- go to B lunch where i sit by myself cause friends have A lunch.
-- phone buzz.mp3
-- random number of text message with photo of me 20 seconds ago at lunch table.
-- panic issues, i message who dis. They reply, you dont need to know stop stalking (girls name). I explain its not stalking if i go up and say hello and talk to them.
-- they dont listen, they tell me to stop being creepy. I ask again who this was. No reply...
-- i tell them ill get the cops involved if they dont reval themselfs.
-- lunch ends, goes to math class. Asks (girl) what she know about random texter.
-- (girl) says no clue
-- day ends, sleep like shit because of creepy MF.
-- finally get response, im (girls friend)
-- i sit at lunch table following day with her and ask whats this is about.
-- she says (girl) says im a creepy stalker that follows her around and stares at her. And that (girl) asked her to do this. I explain i like talking to her, and she engages back in a mutal conversion. And that im autistic and zone out.
-- she still insists im a creep
-- confront (girl) in math class "Why did you lie about this, just tell me you dont want to be friends" Girl refuses to talk to me and spreads rumors of me being a creep.
-- MFW i dont miss highschool dating.
TLDR- women gaslights autism into stalking and give lasting insecurity issues.
Too believable to be a greentext
I have noticed. Good job men, it’s appreciated, keep up the good work of respecting boundaries
yeah, of course that's it. There's a thing called other women, so that we don't have to kill ourselves over you.
That and the whole if someone says no and you continue... You are now harassing someone. Those are the people that give a bad wrap to so many people. No means no. If you don't mean no, don't say it, or message them later saying you were nervous or some shit and just reacted out of fear. But it is on them once they said no. They shut the door. You don't keep knocking and trying to kick it in and expect to not be considered a threat.
Why play these games? Why waste my time? I am not 15, if you do this shit, I don't care about you anymore and I'll just find someone else
Everybody here is saying it's feminism or metoo. But if she's been dating for long enough to notice these differences, then she might just be getting older.
Teenagers will spend a lot of time wooing the person they want. Middle-aged people have no time and will simply move on to the next person who's not playing games.
i mean if it's noticeable, then that's a great success for metoo. it brought attention to the importance of consent and the ability to give consent. to the idea that no doesn't mean try harder and more forcefully, but that no means no.
that's awesome. it's not over, but it's progress...
... then out of nowhere someone comes along and says "you ever notice men aren't as rapey as before? what's up with that?"
Why waste time on a no? Currently, women are throwing my number away after trying hard to get it shrugs
If you don't know the person, taking a "no" at face value is exactly what everyone should do.
Also, not "no longer persuasive" but "not as insistent". If you said no and the man was "ok," you were persuasive.
The only time I was "persuasive" with someone she was taller than me, had military training and explicitly told me that she wanted me not to be a feminist around her.
If you want it, you gotta ask.
uh, no means no lol. have a good one if you're not going to suggest a different time date and just flat out "no".
Anything that makes you apply your hand to your face.
