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[-] Boozilla@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Years ago, when I started getting over my conservative upbringing, I was telling a friend--in an awkward incoherent manner--how I thought we needed to radically reform healthcare in the US.

She detected my mental struggle and said, "Socialism is not a dirty word".

That simple phrase cut through my conflicted brain. It's embarrassing how indoctrinated I was, and how I needed permission from a smart person to just accept the obvious.

I wonder how many other doofuses out there are like I was. They just need the right phrase at the right time from someone they respect.

[-] Duplodicus@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago

If it is available to all it is socialism. If it is only available to the wealthy then it is theft of national resources or graft.

[-] Leap@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

I mean, they're kinda right. Taking money out of society to give to the rich isn't socialism.

[-] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

When the government does stuff, it's socialism. And if the government does more stuff, its more socialism. And if the government does a whole lot of stuff? Its communism.

[-] Sabre363@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

But those aren't socialism. They're rich people jerking each other off while laughing in the face of us low socioeconomic peasants.

[-] Vaggumon@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

No lie detected.

[-] Kalkaline@leminal.space 11 points 1 year ago

Socialism is when the government provides all the jobs, healthcare, benefits, and basically owns the important industries glances over at the defense budget

[-] Duplodicus@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

The US military is one if the most socialist organizations.

[-] supercriticalcheese@feddit.it 1 points 1 year ago

Rename Social benefits as subsidiaries it should then pass though the budget.

[-] alci@jlai.lu 9 points 1 year ago

Funny his socialism seems to sound like a negative word in the us, while capitalism has the sale bad connotation in the mind of many Europeans !

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

He who controls the narrative...

[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And then you have the capitalism sycophants that come and intentionally muddy the waters in bad faith by being pedants and demanding the term only apply to the oldest, largely outdated definition of socialism, in order to derail the conversation in exactly the same way the gun nuts intentionally derail gun control conversations in bad faith by being pedents about the term "assault rifle."

Because language, definitions, and terms don't evolve constantly. A living language is static.

Yond's wherefore we continueth to talketh to one anoth'r liketh this.

(That's why we still talk to each other like this.)

[-] dx1@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's being pedantic and then there's insisting people use terms precisely. "Socialism" has multiple established meanings which can conflict with each other and sabotage communication when there's ambiguity about which you're trying to use. I personally try to avoid terms like that entirely for that reason, it's a waste of time to sit around clarifying misunderstandings like that.

[-] TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

This always gets me... some Americans will bitch about gas prices till the fucking cows come home. Yet they have some of the most heavily subsidized fuel in the world.

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because it's never cheap enough to traverse enough of the land to live in one of our beautiful, cookie-cutter sprawling suburbs and work in the city like many do.

The average American drives so much I think they have forgotten that other ways to live are even possible.

[-] Vlyn@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

I mean they have roads in suburbs without sidewalks, it's insanity.

[-] DragonAce@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

America is also a car centric nation. Oil and gas companies have spent decades preventing any sort of alternative travel options to traverse the country. Ever wonder why the US has some of the worst passenger rail lines in the world or why every major US city doesn't have some sort of functioning mass transit system?

But to your point, yeah some of my neighbors won't shut the fuck up about the goddamned gas prices.

[-] TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Canada is a great example of a car centric nation that doesn't subsidize (as heavily) fuel.

Shit, in my province, from my city to the next large city (over 300k) is 340km away. Just one road small towns scattered in between

Edit to clairify: subsidizing is dumb but also not investing in rapid transport between hubs is equally as dumb.

[-] Z3k3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

This always blows my mind when talking to a yank (as someone in the uk)

The last time I looked we pay more a litre than they do a gallon.

[-] TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

1.50 per L for me in an oil production province in canada... I can imagine it's significantly worse for you guys

[-] Z3k3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

We're around £1.50 at the bottom end around me. I love close enough to the largest refinery on Europe for it to be an option which has a station connected directly to it. Its the most expensive pump for miles

[-] HerbalGamer@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Not entirely wrong

[-] Deestan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Well, it's not wrong. But for the wrong reasons.

[-] Aux@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Don't be poor - problem solved!

[-] expatriado@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

some people called it back them, but politicians still did their thing

[-] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Socialism is when free money.

[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

When poor people get free money.

[-] PatFussy@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

None of those statements are socialism

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