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Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm still on the learning path of Linux. But there doesn't seem to many forks of OpenSuse? There are a bunch of forks of Arch, Fedora and Debian, but why not OpenSuse? Is it a license problem or something else?

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[-] Chadus_Maximus@lemm.ee 5 points 2 hours ago

OpenSuse needs no fork for it has no flaw. If you ever imagine that it can be improved, you should probably reconsider.

[-] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 7 points 7 hours ago
[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 18 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

OpenSUSE itself could be seen as a fork of Fedora though it is from long enough ago that perhaps that is not fair.

In the beginning there was Slackware ( well, maybe SLS but it is gone now ). Slackware has no packaging system. Most distros want one. Debian is not really a Slackware fork but it was a response to it.

The first two distributions to bring true package management were Debian and Fedora ( well pre enterprise Red Hat really - before Fedora ). So Fedora and Debian are the classic bases for other distros.

Red Hat created the first, and most successful, “enterprise” distribution so lots of people want to clone that.

Ubuntu was the first distro to really succeed at a “mainstream” desktop experience. Ubuntu is itself a fork of Debian but, because of its early success, there are probably more forks of Ubuntu than anything else.

Arch was the next really successful attempt at a new packaging system and a distro for more technical users ( that still wanted a binary package distribution system ). There are forks of Arch but, as the repos are Arch’s biggest strength, few of them deviate too much beyond the installer and default configuration.

If you are going to create a distro based off another one, it is typical to start with the base distro that is how to the package format of your choice.

There are now other distros with their own packaging systems ( eg. Alpine and Void ) but they have not been around as long.

Importantly I think, OpenSUSE is European base and, for a lot of the history of Linux, it was largely an American phenomenon ( yes, I know it was invented in Finland — how long did Linus stay there? ).

Finally, “forking” is often a little more sophisticated now. In the past, you started with some other distro that you liked and changed a few small things that you didn’t. A lot of that is taken care of with repos and spins these days so you so fewer unique distros start life this way. The exception is maybe init systems.

As an example, you could consider Chimera Linux as a successor to Void but it is not really a fork. It uses a different package manager, userland, and init system for example.

OpenSUSE itself has multiple versions. One of them is likely to be close enough for fans that they do not need to splinter off.

[-] mitchty@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 7 hours ago

Opensuse and fedora have no common history though? Just because it uses rpm doesn’t make it a red hat derivative.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg

[-] A7thStone@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Your infographic shows that suse was rebased off jurix and redhat after it stopped being Slackware based.

[-] FrostyPolicy@suppo.fi 47 points 20 hours ago

OpenSuse is already by itself a well rounded distro. It supports multiple desktops out-of-the-box, is highly customizable so it doesn't really need forks.

[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 hours ago

Yeah, the distro installer even allows you to fully customize which packages should be installed, if you fancy that.

[-] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 22 points 15 hours ago

To add to this, there aren't that many forks (in the true sense of the word) of Arch for the same reason.

[-] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 16 points 20 hours ago

Maybe no one can improve on OpenSuse. It's also one of the lesser known distributions and wasn't much talked for long time. Maybe there is not much to fork on, because OpenSuse basically does everything and satisfies most people.

Debian in example its hard to get into and make changes, and did not accept lot of packages in example. That means lot of people wanted to have an alternative. Debian is also opinionated and slow on updates, so there is lot of things people want to have it differently. And on Archlinux, its basically barebones distribution where lot of manual work is required to set it up. Its basically the perfect base distribution to fork on or derive from.

There are actually a few: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg

  • Gecko Linux
  • EasyNAS
  • Rockstor

[-] blackbrook@mander.xyz 5 points 12 hours ago

Gecko is basically just a different installer for openSUSE and some different default settings.

[-] superkret@feddit.org -3 points 20 hours ago
[-] FrostyPolicy@suppo.fi 16 points 20 hours ago

SUSE Linux Enterprise isn't really a fork. OpenSuse Leap is to SLE a bit like Fedora is to Red Hat i.e. the community version which is then frozen at some point to build SLE.

[-] MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml 9 points 18 hours ago

SLE is a fork of factory. Leap is based on SLES with community additions, it's why SUSE changing to ALP and dropping desktop support in the new version was such a big thing for the future of Leap.

[-] FrostyPolicy@suppo.fi 7 points 17 hours ago

I stand corrected. I use Tumbleweed so have not kept up to date on that front.

[-] Archaeopteryx@lemmy.nz 7 points 13 hours ago

I totally agree with you. openSUSE Tumbleweed is IMHO the most stable rolling release distro out there.

Arch and some of its derivatives are also nice but still not as stable or polished as Tumbleweed.

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