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Scientists warn of 'societal collapse' on Earth with worsening climate situation (www.irishstar.com)

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[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

That's old news, no? I recall reading that basically from 2°C there is no more economic growth, what means a lot of people are thrown under the bus. From 3°C there is no more economy, meaning no food, heating, fighting everywhere. From 4°C there is basically no more humanity.

[-] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 43 minutes ago

That sounds pretty extreme. I'd be Interested in reading that article, if you can find it.

[-] Myxomatosis@lemmy.world 36 points 4 hours ago

Humanity is fucked. My sympathy lies with the animals.

[-] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 24 points 5 hours ago

You know what would be useful in a societal collapse? Electric vehicles and solar panels.

Hopefully peppers aren’t building zombie busses because they’ll be useless in 6 months after the oil stops flowing.

An ev with a charger panel and bicycles will be useful indefinitely.

[-] NeuronautML@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Solar panels and batteries require massive supply chains. They require our rarest minerals and highest tech, with highly educated workers to develop and produce and state of the art clean rooms and factories.

If we stop producing them, the current stock will be useful for like 50 years tops. Then it's back to fossil fuels, I'm afraid. Diesel generators last for a long time, and they're easier to maintain and produce.

I remember i read a doomer theory stating we should be stockpiling coal for the humans that remain to rebuild society since there is nothing we can do at this point and fossil fuels is the only thing that will outlast the collapse. I'm not that pessimistic, but i can see what they mean.

[-] Vlyn@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 hour ago

Lol, Diesel can on average only be stored for 6 to 12 months before degrading. Good luck with that.

If a collapse ever happens I'd rather have solar panels and an EV. Fuel production and transport would instantly grind to a halt and the existing fuel goes bad soon after.

[-] NeuronautML@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Yeah, it's true diesel degrades quickly, but oil does not. Depending on where you live, you could more quickly set up a low scale refinery than a solar panel manufacturing workshop. Most likely, people would use coal in most places without access to oil in short distance since it's more widely available and simpler to use.

[-] Vlyn@lemmy.zip 1 points 44 minutes ago

Mate, we are talking about a societal collapse. You won't have oil available and you won't be able to refine your own diesel at home (especially without energy).

Your argument about solar panels being difficult to produce is utterly out of place. Your diesel generator and your car are more difficult to produce, but you already own them from before the downfall. So if you own an EV and you own solar panels then it doesn't matter how difficult those are to produce when you're just using them.

[-] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

Gas only lasts like 6 months before expiring. It can be stabilized to last a couple of years, but within 3-5 years all existing gas would be unusable (as far as I understand it).

Running a solar system past its ideal life when it holds even 20% of a charge and has lower efficiency is better than nothing.

[-] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 10 points 3 hours ago

When society collapses, upwards of around 95-100% of us die. That's reality.

[-] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 hours ago

I’ll probably be one of them.

[-] datavoid@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 hours ago

"We don't know who struck first, us or them. But we do know it was us that scorched the sky..."

[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 2 points 3 hours ago

Don't worry, we'll fix climate change by reflecting sunlight before it hits the Earth's surface. Of course this will eradicate most pests (and nature) but hey, problem solved!

[-] Num10ck@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

you would get murdered for those rather quickly, i'd imagine. what would be useful is to get far away from strangers somewhere defendable near fresh water.

[-] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago

That would be only one of the many competing reasons for my murder.

I do have camping gear, woodworking hand tools, a good bike, I know how to shoot and clean fish+game and cook, and I have knowledge of some remote areas with sparse populations including their flora.

On paper it all sounds good, but I would likely die miserably in the first Canadian winter.

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 1 points 32 minutes ago

I generally never last very long in a playthrough of The Long Dark

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 2 hours ago

win win.

[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

That's why Musk is backing Trump and Putin and trying to turn the world into Thunderdome. EVs will reign supreme.

[-] yngmnwntr@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 minutes ago

Pretty sure Thunderdome itself hit the nail on the head with Methane cars, easier and more sustainable than either EG or ICE.

[-] Gointhefridge@lemm.ee 58 points 6 hours ago

We can't even figure out how to not have half our society be rasict, how the hell are we gonna save a whole planet from our fuckery?

[-] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 60 points 6 hours ago

We're not gonna be able to combat climate change under capitalism anyway. The number one thing we need to do is to produce less but that goes directly against what capitalism needs to function. Not to mention that governments are bribed by companies to make laws in their favour.

But hey, what's the point of saving our planet anyway if we can't maximize profits anymore?

[-] Frittiert@feddit.org 14 points 5 hours ago

Yep. And if you mention this, you're a commie and capitalism is the greatest thing ever and under socialism we will all starve and have nothing and it never worked look at Cuba.

Like capitalism works, and there are no imaginable alternatives.

Just don't use resources to produce that much useless crap to just dump it in a landfill or burn it? Is it so hard to understand?

[-] BrightCandle@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago

We don't and we won't.

[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 11 points 5 hours ago

Bold of you to assume that most people even want that. From what I can tell...

[-] Naich 19 points 5 hours ago

There are a large number of people out there who seem to be deliberately making it worse - not even for profit, but just out of spite.

[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 7 points 5 hours ago

Tbf, I think a certain minimum amount of intelligence is required to even qualify for that statement, which I suspect disqualifies most... but yeah, underneath that, there do seem to be a few, like Jeff Bezos.

Though Donald Trump himself I see more like a monkey doing its thing, as much a symptom as a feed-forward cause of his own. I ain't saying that he's not "evil" in his own way, just that he lacks sufficient character for his brand of it to have had any effect at all, if it weren't for the fact that the systems were so broken to begin with. Money (his father's in his case) corrupts.

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