I'm sure he was celebrated for his strength. His body wasn't just tossed out with the rest of the garbage. Not at all.
True heroes aren't appreciated in their time.
And how'd that go for him?
He survived
Calls Vader's religion bullshit
Gets telepathically choked out
Vader: "Oh I guess it doesn't hurt since it's all bullshit, huh? I find your lack of faith disturbing. Especially since you've seen me do this shit, like, a million times before."
He was actually criticising the mystical thinking of the Sith, not the scientific reality of midichlorians.
Wasn't he more criticizing the scale? Like, a sith warrior is great, but he can't really compete with the power of the Death Star when it comes to sheer scale. Just ask Alderaan.
Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV
And you think you're so clever and classless and free
But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see
Fucking ballsy considering tons of Jedi existed when he was a kid.
The Jedi by that point were as accessible as the heads of the Catholic Church. To most poor people throughout the galaxy, the Jedi didn't give a shit about you or your suffering, notice how they didn't do shit about slavery in the galaxy? To most people the Jedi were nothing but self righteous religious do nothings that live in a big palace
Found the imperial officer guys
"Tons"
The galactic empire (and the republic before it) spanned billions of inhabited star systems. If each world was billions or trillions of inhabitants that means the galactic population is 10^18^ or more people. There were only ~10,000 Jedi at their peak. The chances of any galactic citizen seeing a Jedi, unless they lived on Coruscant near the temple, are vanishingly small. They were mythical beings to almost everyone.
TBF a 9 yr old slaveboy on an outer rim planet knew what a Jedi was.
Yes, and with childlike naivety he believed those mystical heroes really exist.
An admiral of the imperial navy is above such childish myths.
Are you saying that scene was the first time that admiral ever met or heard of Darth Vader?
That's what the scene implies. The whole scene makes no sense after the backstory that the prequels added.
The idea of the scene is that we, the viewer, have no idea what the force is yet. Just like character who learns the hard way. Because this is the first Star Wars movie and they haven't even started calling it Episode 4 yet.
I consider Star Wars to be a movie that I have never seen for the "first time". I don't remember a time when I wasn't intimately familiar with every scene. I wish I could watch it now and not know what was going on.
It makes much more sense when you view Jedi/Sith as the trope of the warrior monk who has achieved enlightenment. They have gained mystical powers beyond mortal ken etc, but mostly they used it to hit people with laser swords and public knowledge could dismiss a lot of that as physical training and conditioning.
It's been a few years but I think Tarkin introduces Vader a few moments before the choke to the admiral (Motti is the name, BTW)
Even if he knew of Vader, knew of the force, he still didn't really believe in it. If not shown to someone it is incredibly unbelievable. He definitely didn't believe in the force being stronger than the death star, which was voiced and angered Darth Vader resulting in the choke.
Also, Motti was a pretty cool character. From the linked fandom page:
Whatever conclusions you ultimately draw about the incident taking place between myself and Lord Vader during yesterday morning's briefing, he was wrong, and trying to crush someone else's windpipe doesn't make you any less wrong, if you're wrong to begin with. Which he was. I do not concede the argument.
Iirc one of the canon comic book series focuses on what vader was doing between III and IV and he was mostly in sith training and special jedi hunting missions for most of the time until IV and had minimal contact with the military. I still need to read it and am going off remembering the tvtropes page and a youtube video so don't quote me on anything ever from now until the end of time.
If you want to play that way, technically using a 2000lb ton, you'd only need 20-30 Jedi for there to be "Tons"
More than that if the Jedi are Yoda-sized. Less if they're Jabba-sized.
Hm, have Hutt-Jedi ever been explored in the canon or expanded universe? That sounds kinda interesting...
I was looking for this kind of comment ready to make one if there was none. Thanks of absolving me of the duty.
I'm going off what was in the movies and other than Coruscant there's nothing to suggest there's that many individuals. There are a lot of representatives in the senate but that doesn't say much about how populated the planets are.
And, the Jedi had an actual HQ on the home planet of the republic, didn't they?
EDIT: And as another counter-example, there's not that many Secret Service agents but most people in Earth probably know they exist.
Right? And Han's never heard of The Force.
Yea, I don't think this George Lucas guy knew what he was doing.
Is it really so hard to believe a guy never met someone who only existed in tiny fractions of the galaxy 20 years before. I think its clearly a joke about people who are skeptical of religion (me).
It's like asking storm troopers in the clone wars why would they shoot at a Jedi. They are people... Not droids. They made the logical leap a long time ago that the force is a fantasy and is to unlikely to exist, and by the time few of them saw it in real life... They couldn't take back the first shot and were like... Fuck.
I never said anything about meeting them. I've never met the Pope but I've heard of the guy.
I've never met the Pope but people say he uses his special religious powers to turn bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus Christ so they can consume it.
I don't believe that actually happens either.
I think it's hard to believe the fact that magic is a real thing wouldn't get around in a common galactic civilization.
The main character farms water on a planet that is mostly sand, orbitting two stars. He trades with people who steal and refurbish scraps of metal, and gets shot at by people who ride around on giant buffalo like creatures that produce blue milk. I don't think far away magics were taught in their education system when no one could perform them and his "uncle" only knows the religion as causing corruption and ending in the deaths of millions. Likely just thought of as fairy tales.
Do they not have the news on Tattooine?
When I saw this scene as a kid, I thought Motti coughed up the yellow button on the console. I didn't know what it was at the time and thought Vader somehow put some yellow choking pill inside him. It was very disturbing to me. This was before I knew what a Force choke was.
I used to think roughly the same thing. I thought that Vader choking him caused him to puke up an egg.
I thought the same! We had to use our imagination watching these movies on VHS on a 14" CRT TV from eight feet away.
So you're saying you find his lack of puke... disturbing.
I always thought he licked the table for some reason
Meanwhile, in real life, we don't have space wizards who can perform magic, yet we have generals who live in fear of magical leaders of make believe religions.
I mean, they can still economically Force choke your campaign
because they have millions of followers they don't want to piss off.
Cult followings are the highest form of magecraft.
"Bruh, we're trying to get this project done on time and under budget, talking about space magic isn't going to-"
"we need to stop cutting corners and put a cover over that hole that blows up the whole station if someone drops a rock in it"
You seem to have too much time to waste. Here, I've just cut your jira ticket deadline by a week. Pray I don't cut it further.
Don't be silly, every moon-sized station has a hole that destroys the entire structure if someone drops a rock in there. That's the way it's always been done. That is industry best practices according to our stakeholders.
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