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He gets so close-

Violent crime has risen over precisely the period we have shuttered these psychiatric institutions. And you know what? The number one psychiatric institution today is jail. It’s prison. And they don’t do a very good job. And now you then get the calls to clear the jails or to have commuting of sentences or shortening of sentences. People leave those jails in a worse psychiatric condition, often, than when they even entered.

Yes! Yes!

We can do this again learning from past mistakes without those abuses. I don’t think I want to be pumping psychiatric institutions with pharmaceuticals into people.

Seems reasonable.

Faith-based approaches – there are better ways to do this.

Oh for fuck's sake.

And, of course, the ironic thing is that Ramaswamy is a pharma bro.

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[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 127 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Ramasmarmy saying whatever he thinks the Republican base wants to hear. So weird seeing him bet all in on a base that despises him.

[–] nutbiggums@lemmy.ml 58 points 2 years ago (2 children)

He hasn't figured out that he will never win because he isn't white

[–] teft@startrek.website 45 points 2 years ago (2 children)

He probably considers himself white since he isn’t a black man meanwhile the republicans will never see him as anything but non-white. It’s similar thought processes to the South American neo nazis.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

We had a Sri Lankan family friend who got incensed when anyone suggested he wasn't white. It was odd.

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[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

It's working so far for him. He's the rising star in the party. I'm sure there is a portion of the republican electorate that would like to vote for a brown person so they can use it as "evidence" that they aren't racist. Just like when they claimed racism was over when Obama got elected.

[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Aye. At this point I'm convinced he's saying anything to get attention and raise money. I also wonder if it's a play to siphon off extremist votes, but I'm not sure who'd benefit outside of moderates like Chris Christy

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago

This is literally his brand. His books are actually filled with policy contradictions, because he's figured out that a significant portion of Americans simply reflect whatever most recent political messaging they've heard. There is no attempt at broader synthesis or framework consistency.

The average voter hears something they like, neuron activation gives them dopamine, and that's the end of the experience. This entirely explains why there are more than zero people who can vote for Obama and then vote for Trump. Because these are simple folk. The common clay of the new west. You know, morons...

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[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 68 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That’s fucking dumb, people kill each other over religion every single day in staggering numbers. Maybe they can institute a program that has speakers from the IRA and the Taliban come in to talk about strong faith.

I cant believe grown adults believe in fairy tales, it’s absolute insanity.

[–] aphlamingphoenix@lemm.ee 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

At the end of Peter Pan, the Lost Boys along with Wendy and the other kids are tied to a mast while Captain Hook monologues at them. Peter has pushed Tinkerbell away, and she's fading out of existence. It seems all hope is lost.

But then Peter gets an idea and begins to chant. "I do believe in fairies, I do, I do." Soon, they're all chanting it together. "I DO believe in fairies! I DO I DO!"

And Tinkerbell pops back into existence to save the day. This is what faith is. The idea that if you believe in something hard enough it will pop into existence.

Of course, it's a fantasy story for children. I can't believe grown adults think it's true, either. It's absolute insanity, agreed. But that's where Republicans have to meet their constituents, who apparently live in Never Never Land.

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 59 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This guy is an even bigger shill than Turd Cruz. He made his money in pharma, his wife is a physician. And yet here he is shilling for FaiTH BaSeD CuRE.

Fuck off Vivek

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Ironically, his name means conscience.

He's got none.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 43 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Fuck George W Bush forever for popularizing "faith based" as a euphemism for people forcing their religion on others.

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Religion is a mental illness.

[–] keropoktasen@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (10 children)

So you treat mental illness with another form of mental illness?

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[–] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

I'm so sick of these narcissistic cunts who will say and do virtually anything for attention and graft.

[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

Belief in fake gods has never been the solution.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

YOU started a pharmaceutical company. Shut the fuck up. Your face is as big as Charlie's. Seriously, there must be some sort of correlation between right-wing vitriol and small faces because holy fuck.

[–] jerome@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

lol. Nobody trusts a right winger.

[–] 23Spiders@ttrpg.network 5 points 2 years ago

Lmao I read that as right whinger at first

Still apt

So now these dipshits are unironically and very seriously borrowing from the Scientology playbook…? And here I thought religion in America couldn’t get any worse.

[–] FReddit@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago
[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Bruh isn't his wife a doctor lmao

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

I'm sure there are plenty of doctors with little to no respect/understanding of mental health.

[–] CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It’s kind of like the joke “if alternative medicine worked, it would just be called medicine”.

A faith-based approach could also be called a hypothesis-based approach: the only thing that distinguishes it from a scientific approach is that it is a hypothesis that either hasn’t been tested or has failed the scientific method.

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[–] incendiaryperihelion@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago

Only someone who is (probably) comfortably insulated from the reality that real people face in crises could say something so inane

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

Vivek is wrong. Mental health should be taken seriously.

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

What a fucking idiot

[–] Pollo_Jack@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Sick that they would blatantly lie to try and increase conversions.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I want to just say. Get fucked. Thank you, that is all.

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It always amuses me when people try to recommend faith or faith based healing to cure their medical or mental health problems.

How is faith based healing any different from using the placebo effect on someone by giving them a sugar pill and telling them it'll help cure their illness? Only difference I can see is you are replacing the pill with God, another placebo.

[–] Fog0555@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

It's worse because it attributes any improvement to God instead of you or statistical noise.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago

He’s worse than being a card-carrying member of the religious right, he’s an ass-kissing suck-up to the religious right.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So his big plan is to just tell everyone, "Y'all need Jesus!"?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Apparently. Except he's a Hindu, so who knows?

[–] Murais@lemmy.one 13 points 2 years ago

He's a pick-me. It's still Jesus.

[–] spark947@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

Isn't he s pharma guy?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Sir you have a minority religion in this country. Do you think religion is irrelevant to this or are you hoping a bunch of Americans get shipped off to Vishnu camp when we get depressed?

[–] LetterboxPancake@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ramaswamy is a pharma bro.

Seems not to be the greatest salesman from my point of view. Unless he sells faith in a vial.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He's selling himself for a job in Trump's cabinet, so he's a better salesman than you think. He's already rich off the pharma investments. I just like the irony.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You know, we have a term for alternative medicines that have been shown to have a positive effect on patient and are backed up with evidence. That term is called, medicine.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh, is this the insufferable a-hole trying to out-crazy Trump and still polling almost dead last?

He admits that people with mental health disabilities are just locked up in prisons and not given help (true), but then says let's bring back insane asylums and not give them medication or therapy, just let Jesus take the wheel.

To anybody who thinks this is a good idea, if Jesus could cure them of their mental afflictions, you wouldn't need the insane asylums to begin with.

What he is describing is a just prison system by another name.

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[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

"Faith-based" is the weasel word here, insert your meaning. The reductive correlation of violent crime rising as psychiatric institutions shuttered leaves out the economic context. Public healthcare isn't on the table, this is just redistributing the effects of not having proper care available for everyone and claiming it's a solution. "Let the churches deal with it instead of the prison system." Is he advocating we decriminalize and reduce sentencing? Are churches in a position to hide/harbor what the law determines to be a criminal? No talk of re-allocating police budgets.

I mean I'm not going to tell my friend with Asperger's that he should abandon his accepting church community. I blame the fact that our economic system deems him as a worthless burden, unless laws are in place that force employers to treat him with the same dignity as everyone else and accommodate him. The fact he can't access a career a "normal" person could is a huge part of the problem.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago

He is just afraid the temples are running empty

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