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[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 41 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Watch the US abandon them too, after basically using them to squash ISIS. A concern though, is Turkey won’t want to hold territory, so it’ll end up creating the same power vacuum that spawned ISIS after it drives the Kurds out. A better solution would be for the US to just broker a deal between all parties.

[–] guy@piefed.social 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You sure about them not wanting to hold territory?
I can imagine the Turks keeping the "safety zone", not to annex as a part of Turkey, but keep subdued to make sure the Kurds don't try to come back

[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago

Turkey wants HTS to take full control of the Syria land so they don't have to deal with PKK's sidearm right next to their borders in the first place. This whole operation is made for that.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Turkey would love to expand their borders. They already exist on a war footing because they insist on treating domestic Kurds like Native Americans were treated and sending military expeditions into northern Iraq and Syria. The only difference would be staying there.

[–] MrFappy@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That happened already and it fell apart yesterday.

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Well, more of a long term solution is needed than a temporary cease fire.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago

Shock.

Surprise.

For those who don't know, Turkey hates the Kurdish people. Iraq and Iran are too powerful for them to go after the Kurds very well there. The SDF along the northern border of Syria is Kurdish and is unprotected. Expect no quarter by either side. The Turks will also kill civilians if they get into population centers. This enmity runs to the Ottoman Empire who also mistreated the Kurds in favor of the Turks. When Ataturk turned to focus on the Kurds after the Armenian Genocide the Kurds took up arms rather than be next.

The SDF previously relied on the stalemate of the war to not be bothered by NATO. But with that over and Trump returning (who gave the Turks the greenlight to occupy sections of Syria last time) it's obviously time for the Turks to go after the Kurds again. Because God forbid the Kurds actually get self determination and peace.

[–] febra@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The kurds have been one of the most betrayed people by the West. They were one of the only ones to put themselves directly in front of the ISIS hordes. Men and women fought and lost their lives to stop ISIS from spreading their reign of terror even further. The West promised in turn to help them gain their territorial autonomy. After defeating ISIS the Americans then pulled out of all of their promises to the Kurds, abandoning them, and are now actively supporting Turkey in destroying the kurdish autonomous region. What an utterly disgusting move on their part, and surely telling for all the movements looking to collaborate with them in the future.

[–] ours@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

And that's after being abandoned after fighting Saddam Hussein as well.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

The main reason why turkey supported HTS is this right here. Watch as the country continues getting broken into many pieces and eaten up by these vultures.

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Wait. I thought Turkey was happy about so many Syrian refugees leaving. And now they're following them to bring more war? WTF?

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

The Turks can always make room for killing more Kurds.

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (27 children)

Yeah, Turkey has never liked the Kurds

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[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

A new dictator takes the land, amazing

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I have met more good Kurds than good Turks while I have met a lot more Turks.

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[–] Juigi@lemm.ee 7 points 6 months ago

War mongering Turkey what a shock

[–] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Oh, for fuck's sake-

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 months ago

Fash gonna fash.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Nice truck. Hammond should take it to a McDonald's sometime.

[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

One of the reasons I've been boycotting imports from Türkiye for years.

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