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[-] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 61 points 23 hours ago

How does one address the paradox that, as JSON itself is evil, one cannot use it for evil?

(opinions may vary on the above; but it's mine, so nyah nyah.)

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 42 points 22 hours ago

It's less evil than XML or YAML

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 33 points 21 hours ago

XML is ok for complex docs where you have a detailed structure and relationships. JSON is good for simple objects. YAML is good for being something to switch to for the illusion of progress.

[-] Earflap@reddthat.com 10 points 17 hours ago

Meh. I just wish XML was easier to parse. I have to shuttle a lot of XML data back and forth. As far as I can tell, the only way to query the data is to download a whole engine to run a special query language, and that doesn't really integrate into any of my workflows. JSON retains the hierarchy and is trivially parsed in almost any programming language. I bet a JSON file containing the exact same data would be much smaller also, since you don't list each tag twice.

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[-] tinkling4938@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 15 hours ago

YAML is (mostly) a superset of JSON. Is the face hugger any less evil than the alien bursting out of your chest?

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

It's got enough serious flaws and quirks that I can feel smug hating on it. JSON is far from perfect, but overall it's the least worst of human-readable formats.

Only Python manages to get away with syntactical indentation.

[-] renzev@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

The complaints about yaml's quirks (no evaluating to false, implicit strings, weird number formats, etc.) are valid in theory but I've never encountered them causing any real-life issues.

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[-] jonne@infosec.pub 7 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

It's still using the lesser of 3 evils, we need a fourth human readable data interchange format.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 16 points 21 hours ago

"Problem: There are ~~3~~ 4 standards

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[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

>TOML has entered the channel

Any human-readable format compatible with JSON is inevitably going to be used as an interchange format...

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[-] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 2 points 21 hours ago

Hmm, hard to argue with that :P

[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

can we please pronounce that evil in a British accent: ivil

[-] ryanvade@lemmy.world 15 points 19 hours ago

I'll be downloading this one

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 26 points 21 hours ago
[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 39 points 23 hours ago

Spoilsports. Next they'll be telling me I can't use apple software in the development, design, manufacture, or production of nuclear, missile, or chemical or biological weapons.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 37 points 21 hours ago

Me buying my first IBM ThinkPad online:

IBM: are you planning to use this ThinkPad to produce weapons of mass destruction?

Me: I wasn't before, but now I'm curious

[-] superkret@feddit.org 8 points 21 hours ago

So if I use it to draw a rocket, I'm violating its license?

[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 20 hours ago

If its a design for something you plan to build then all your software is going to turn into buggy java applets and Tim Apple will give you a wet willy the next time you're trying to look cool. It's right there in the license.

[-] SanctimoniousApe 4 points 20 hours ago

Ah, the ambiguity of words - the definition of "evil" lies in the eye of the beholder.

[-] zerofk@lemm.ee 3 points 14 hours ago

Well then we just kill all the Beholders and voila, no more evil.

[-] SaintWacko@slrpnk.net 2 points 19 hours ago

I mean... Missiles and rockets aren't the same thing...

[-] nobleshift@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

Redstone/Mercury has entered the chat

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

Wow, when did minecraft add other planets?

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[-] superkret@feddit.org 27 points 22 hours ago

The FSF also lists any software as non-free which uses the beer license (use the software in any way you want, and should you ever meet the author, pay them a beer).

[-] SanctimoniousApe 16 points 20 hours ago

I can't stand beer - is there a rum & Coke license?

[-] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 5 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Is it really contrarian to like the FSF these days? I mean people seem to hate Stallman too but both are pretty important in the history and continuing existence of free software.

The four essential freedoms are in my view as important as the FSF says, and any license that doesn't meet all four will be met with skepticism from me absolutely.

Also, the GPL is a real, legal license, and even if there's a silly clause that causes it to be incompatible, that's still a legal liability - of course they have to take it seriously.

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 9 points 21 hours ago

I thought it was free as in speech not free as in beer? So if it costs a beer then isn't it still free (as in speech)? Or is this a OSI vs FSF difference?

[-] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

I was thinking the same thing, does anyone have any context as to why the Beer license is not considered free? If I'm to guess it probably has something to do with copyleft-restrictions (or lack thereof).

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[-] ColonelThirtyTwo@pawb.social 21 points 22 hours ago

Everybody gangsta with the "don't be evil" clause until the authors turn out to be a nutjob who thinks trans people are blights against God and must be exterminated.

I doubt (or at least hope) that that's not what they think, but hopefully that illustrates why the clause is dumb.

[-] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 6 points 16 hours ago

100%, and it doesn't seem to lay out a legal definition of "good" so it's actually worse than useless - it's ambiguous.

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