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[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 74 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It makes more sense if you understand that the "thorn" (Þ) is pronounced "th".

Interestingly, the thorn was in pretty common use until the printing press took off because most of the presses in England were imported from France and Germany, neither of which used the thorn so their typefaces didn't include one. For a while people used 'y' in place of the thorn (hence "ye olde"), but eventually it fell out of use all together

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 months ago

Printing press is one factor, another is French influence. Greek terms with that sound were written with like in French and so already competed with <þ> independent of the printing press.

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I heard that y and th competed and th won in the end.

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

@RegalPotoo

(My understanding)

The thorn evolved as a pseudo glyph first, have you ever written a "th" really fast? Once the printing press was invented and widespread, it became less common for "th" to look like a thorn and it slowly fell out of use altogether

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's wrong. Thorn was a runic letter before the Latin alphabet arrived in great Britain. Since the latter didn't have a letter for this sound, they used it from the older script. "þ" writing fast looks like "y" which is why that letter was used in print. Words For Granted as a podcast episode about lost letters of the English alphabet, including þorn.

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Interesting! I wonder what other linguistic history I have slightly wrong lol

ᚦ is Thurisaz rune.

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 2 months ago

May we all be nat eton.

[–] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

A frog is a wee beast with four legs which lives both in water and on land. He is brown, green, or yellow, or if he is tropical, he may be diverse colors. He has lungs and gills both. He haches from an egg and he then is a tadpole. He grows to be a frog if he is not eaten.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

arguably if you're translating then "wee beast" should be "small animal."

[–] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

That is arguable. I wouldn't want to rob it of its flavor. 'Wee beast' is unusual, but it's fine English already.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

The argument - that I don't particularly care about, just idling commenting - is would that be translation or transliteration.

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Hatches from an egg" caught me up a bit but I could read this otherwise

You don't care but I was excited

[–] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

I just know it from Schnappy das kleine Krokodil we learned in German class haha

[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Thought I was reading Dutch there at first. But it was just idiot

[–] EnIdiot@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

No, can confirm.

Actually early Middle English and Dutch were not that far apart. More French, of course, but a lot of Germanic verbs and vocabulary that matched up with Dutch.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago

They're the same picture

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

You were not alone…

[–] yozul@beehaw.org 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If anyone is having trouble reading this, it might help to know that "þ" is the same as "th". That's more widely known than it used to be, but it's still pretty niche.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is like Frisian and English mixed together. As a Dutch man I could stil read this. Except had to figure out that ſ is an s

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fun Fact: Old English and Old Frisian are closely related.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is probably Middle English. Old English is harder to read https://ang.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frogga

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

it really just looks like someone who speaks english, german, and swedish got a severe head injury

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Lots of head injuries going around back then

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago

as evidenced by the existence of france

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I thought this was a really secluded and niche Scots dialect before realising it was just old english.

[–] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

ġīese, is eald Englisc; ac nis Eald Englisċ; hwæt ic cweþe hát Eald Englisċ.

Sé mema is on Middelenglisċ.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I read this all in a broad Scots accent. Which is possibly a pretty accurate choice. ~~Old English~~ Early middle English and lowland Scots are very, very similar as languages.

[–] EnIdiot@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It is early Middle English not Old English.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Ah, how right you are! Sorry, I'll edit.

[–] I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Where can I find more descriptions like this?

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's from the proposed Middle English Wikipedia. Here's the frogge article, here are all articles that have been written. But the no-fun-allowed Wikimedia killed it off.

[–] azi@mander.xyz 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They allow conlangs but not historical languages?? What the actual fuck

[–] sunbather@beehaw.org 11 points 2 months ago

its weird and lame middle english was killed off, particularly as theres old english available

[–] IndieSpren@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

There's a lot of articles written in middle English that make sense on that list, like languages, locations, historical events, historical figures, etc.

Then there's also brainfuck, genshin, and this beauty.

[–] don@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

I can hear the YouTube video done about this.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

you NEED to hear the voice actor reading this
https://youtu.be/HguKPVgIZL8

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Little bit of a shame that he reads the thorn as b :-(

Otherwise pretty funny

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago

Late middle English?

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Who makes up such funny words?

[–] stray@pawb.social 9 points 2 months ago

This is just how English used to be.

[–] Rin@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

Surely, i'm having a stroke

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago
[–] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I thought this was Froggy Went A Courtin for a moment before reading more.

[–] gwilikers@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

Read this in Swedish Chef's voice.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ghhp - h'just . . . hang on . . .

*fwhoooooooh* . . . . snif . . . ooohhh . . . . ahh. dang. oh man. whew!

Okay. Next one.

[–] benbrain@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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