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The President is empowered by a Congress controlled by a narrow majority. Rather than the individual they have chosen, I am pissed at the Republican party. And disappointed in the American people. The guy? He was always that way and would have continued to be so at a safe distance from the levers of power without his enablers.

It is the American and especially Republican relationship with Canada that is important in this situation. Those are what endure, that person is only momentarily significant. So, where we can choose the narrative, I think that's important to focus on.

Plus I suspect he likes the sound of his own name.

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[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 74 points 5 months ago (1 children)

American here.

Help.

Do what you can to crash the American economy, IDGAF. I don't know, grasping at straws.

Adopt me?

Help turn the entire world against America? Whatever it takes.

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Canada is not going to damage the American. 74.5% of Canadian exports and 56.2% of imports are with the US. On the other hand Canada makes up 14% of US imports and 15.8% of exports.

If any plan killed the American economy every one else is going down too.

[–] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 24 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Copypasta my other comment:

The bulk of Canadian exports to the US are oil. We can certainly tariff US goods, but export tariffs on Canadian oil and hydro electricity to the US will probably be a big component of the Canadian response.

Even with a big increase on hydro power exports to the US, it's still cheaper than most other sources of electricity, so they'll still happily pay it.

As to oil, there are some refineries in the US that are set up to process Canadian bitumen. Canada's long history of just exporting raw materials and re-importing finished goods give a pretty outsized room to manuever here. This refineries will probably just pony up and pay more.

Where the damage will come is in areas like the auto sector, where there are tightly coupled supply chains.

Paul Krugman points out in his article The End of North America that there is probably already damage done to the concept of North American manufacturing.

Trump is going to do a whole lot of damage, we're going to take some of that damage, but my favourite quote on the topic:

no one wins trade wars, but the kid who never stands up for himself always loses and for a long time

Scotiabank Daily Points

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[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Again, desperate, maybe the world needs a reset?

I don't know. I don't want anyone to suffer or hurt, but at this point it seems inevitable.

So how do we mitigate the suffering and pain, but still create progress and block fascism?

How do we Luigi but not have it be a slippery slope?

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[–] Podunk@lemmy.world 64 points 5 months ago (5 children)

You guys in canada should 100% support retaliatory tariffs. Fire them at us as hard as you can. Make us a pariah.

We fucked around. We should find out. We couldnt learn from round one of trump. We couldnt learn from watching the train wreck that was brexit. If you dont quid pro quo. If you capitulate. We will not learn our lesson.

Teach us and do not make our mistakes.

[–] Dumpdog@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 months ago

Well thought out TARGETED tariffs. Tariffs generally hurt us all. Us being the 99%. Stupid general tariffs benefit the 1% who can buy up the mess made from tanking the economy. Also, TransplantedSconie makes some great points

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 6 points 5 months ago

I think americans, or at least american conservatives, are too stupid to learn.

I was just reading about a conservative tax plan in Kansas ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_experiment ) that by pretty much all metrics failed. Yet somehow they aren't run out of town.

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[–] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 54 points 5 months ago
[–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 31 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm boycotting all American goods and services. No more Amazon, Google, Microsoft and Disney (Never did go to Walmart). Going to be looking elsewhere for these things now.

[–] anomoly_@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I saw this image being passed around online. As an American I can't comment on the accuracy of it, but hopefully it or similar lists help in your search.

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[–] GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 22 points 5 months ago

Start taxing the fuck out of u.s. automakers

[–] Greg@lemmy.ca 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I’m hoping for 100% tariffs on US Teslas and removing the current tariffs on Chinese EVs.

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago

Carefully thought out trade with China would completely undercut and undermine the US, especially if other countries join. I agree and hopefully it becomes a trend. America is a great country but it's not more important than the world.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 18 points 5 months ago

Man, cheeto is in a rush to speed run to the find out stage...

I demand puts retaliatory taxes to the US, let them suffer

[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Markets gonna lose 10,000 points on open

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

I hope so. That would be a nice fucking wake-up call to the orange traitor shitcunt’s moron supporters.

[–] El_guapazo@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Renegotiate so that these products go elsewhere for the next 4 years.

As an American, I am SO SORRY Canadian friends. We don't deserve this.

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