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The only upside of Trump's presidency is that it is a stark warning to other democracies around the world that it could very well happen to them also soon, and they'd better get their shit together before it does.
Hungary should have been a warning sign, but the US is a lot more visible and a lot more frightening when it falls into this trap.
In Germany we're having an election this month and I unfortunately don't feel much of that spirit. The far right populists are more or less at an all time high and the conservatives are the strongest party in the race.
Additionally, the conservatives are openly and explicitly imitating Trump's antics. "On my first day as chancellor I will..." - No you won't, that's not how it works here.
Well, Germany has the same problem as the US: Musk.
Elon has been pouring his support (and god knows how much illicit money) behind the AfD, to get fascists elected there. Same in Canada, same in the UK.
I don't know. Listening to PP on the radio the other day was, as usual, brain cell melting.
"We are under attack from the south! They are putting America first! Therefore We need to"put Canada First!" (Not a direct quote, was a soundbite on the 4pm CBC news radio as best I recall it)
Sir... When your idiot neighbours are in a democratic spiral to hell, maybe DON'T try and steal their slogans. I'm no political analyst but it's ....possible... the strategies they are using are at best ineffective.
Well I don't know, have Canadians considered that their liberals aren't perfect so they should fight tooth and nail to make sure the alt right gets elected instead?
/s
I mean the liberals aren't just not perfect; they're lead by a bold faced liar. Still better than the alt right though.
In his very weak defense, most politicians are liars.
What has Trudeau lied about? What has Poilievre lied about?
What has Trudeau lied about?
Election reform, for one.
What has Poilievre lied about?
What does that have to do with anything.
What does that have to do with anything.
Your comment stated that Trudeau was a pathological liar, but he's better than the 'alt right'. I assume alt right refers to the PPC, not the CPC, and I assumed you made THAT comparison (LPC to PPC), skipping over CPC, because you support the CPC.
My assumption about your CPC support may be incorrect, but it sure seems to be buttressed by the fact that you stated that Trudeau is an egregious liar, when in reality his dishonesty is no worse than many other politicians, and in regard to bold faced lies about facts (as opposed to, say, broken election promises) he's nowhere near as bad as Poilievre.
This why I asked you if you could identify any of Poilievre's many lies, misinformation, or disinformation. Because I suspected you might avoid answering it, as you predictably did. And given that the entire post and originating article is about the CPC, I don't think it's really off topic to ask about them. So, can you tell me where Poilievre has lied?
I assume alt right refers to the PPC, not the CPC,
Did you make that assumption on your own or is that just how it works in Canada? If it's the latter then I guess it's my fault for using words I don't fully understand, but either way my man (or woman or whatever) chill the fuck out. This is actual paranoia. Also note that the guy I replied to also said alt-right, so seriously just... what?
To make that clear, I do not support the CPC. I don't care about or follow Canadian politics enough to pick a team, so to speak, but even I can tell that PP is a snake oil salesman. And if you're wondering what I'm doing in !Canada, I came here from /all and replied with what I do know from the Trudeau resignation debacle.
and in regard to bold faced lies about facts (as opposed to, say, broken election promises) he's nowhere near as bad as Poilievre.
Making a promise and then actively and intentionally breaking it is bold-faced lying. Again how he compares to PP is irrelevant here; this is a Lemmy thread not a voting station.
Because I suspected you might avoid answering it, as you predictably did.
Okay just to be clear, you'll find that many people will avoid answering this question, because again that's not what I was talking about. This sort of shibboleth ideological purity nonsense can get really annoying even if you're on the "right" side.
Oh, thank god.
And I say that even as an atheist.
Conservatism is the most bigoted, corrupt, anti-democratic and downright anti-human political system out there. It has only two purposes:
While it gives me hope, I am still very genuinely worried that when the election is in full swing there will be extensive foreign meddling in the campaigns and media. Especially considering American oligarchs control mainstream social media exclusively now.
@anachronist Hmmmm I’m just remembering that Justin Trudeau at least twice mentioned in his ‘tariffs’ speech how they might affect US Orange juice imports into Canada!
That euphomism missed me at that time!
Trump's antics being good for North America was not on my bingo card. During negotiations with Mexico he also promised to reduce guns flowing into Mexico.
Your title doesn't make sense, why didn't you use the original?
I was just amazed that The Donald might actually manage to work his magic and come up with a way for the liberals to win. An astonishingly remarkable performance from the grand master.
I'll hold my nose and vote Liberal if it means no Conservatives. I am a leftist and vote NDP in a very lefty city, but Jagmeet is not really doing a good job keeping the party afloat and it's kind of in the weeds at the federal level. I think the only way Polievre will win at this point is if he promises to close the door to most immigration save for the highly skilled people we need, because wow do Canadians ever hate immigrants now. (Not that immigration doesn't need reform but I've never seen such naked hatred of them in my whole life here). if he promised housing reform that would help him a lot, but he'll never deliver on that. Also a lot of immigrants are more conservative and will probably vote for him, so he would cut off his nose to spite his face if he shut them out. I live next to a Sikh neighbourhood and they all seem to vote conservative.
I’ll hold my nose and vote Liberal if it means no Conservatives.
Every. Damned. Time.
The biggest thing the Reds offer is a blocking action against the blue.
The best thing we had, and we'll look back on in the future, is when Mr Singh patiently and calmly leveraged a minority red government in support of slowly providing for regular people.
... and then he stopped doing it patiently or calmly and fell into a big pit of ego and special interest; but before that it was the most leverage he and his party had for improving regular people in a long time. I don't expect the oranges to be in a similar position for years to come, unfortunately.
I really wish Jack Layton had lived. Things would be absolutely great under him. The NDP need a strong blue collar union person as their lead.
You're welcome Canada? I don't even know anymore.
What makes you think Trump is changing the outcome? Are polls shifting?
Yes, they are. Recent polls have shown a strong swing towards the Liberals. They're not in the lead yet, but the current trend is that direction, and that's without them even having a selected leader yet. Polls asking about hypothetical elections where Carney is the leader actually put them in a dead heat with the Conservatives (and unlike the US, in Canada its the Liberals who have the vote distribution advantage, so ties go their way more often than not).
I’d be just fine with a conservative loss or even a minority. Just no majority please.
Yeah, even a minority Conservative government would be better than what we've been facing. And frankly, I desparately want to set what happens to the current Conservative party if Pollievre flames out. That alliance is fragile and strained. I wonder what another loss would do to them.
one shows a combined shift of about 13 percent. Polls are polls, they're a dime a dozen. but the effect is immediately noticeable.
Also, Poilievre's message is that Canada is broken and divided, but I think people are seeing what broken really looks like and Trump's tariffs has unified the country in a single weekend.
It definitely gives me hope that I didn't have before but we can't just ride off that alone
Hopefully so, but that doesn't mean the Liberals and the leftist parties can sit on their laurels. If they win this they got to earn it afterwards. If they pull the same shit they've been pulling the conserves are going to be even stronger next time around. I have no faith in the Liberal Party actually doing that so..
Poilievre has an incredibly lucky moment right now. Never has a Canadian leader had a moment like this, in the last century, maybe ever. He has a fantastically weak Liberal leader that has dragged his party down, and a disastrous US leader who threatens Canada. All Poilievre has to do is step in front of all of this and present a unifying vision. But he can't do it. He's incapable of being a leader. He can't seem to put his petty politics of anger aside and face the reality that the country has an existential threat and that the priorities have changed. Even when he proposes something reasonable (Arctic defense) he has to borrow a Trump move to get there (decimate foreign aid, even though soft power and diplomacy is the reason we have any friends at all right now). He is the very epitome of short term, ideological thinking. Ultimately he represents the populist right wing that will exacerbate wealth inequality and the resulting oligarchy..and we can all see the endgame of this movement playing out to the south of us.
No fucking thank you.
Hopefully them Connies and Libruls see this as a signal to change they right-leaning ways and start standing up for the good of the middle class, at the moment one only gives handouts to the rich, and the other to the poor, both at the middle class's expense, howsabout we start seeing positive change for all of us for once eh?
Hopefully Canadians don't have that short of a memory. Giving the power back to the same team that put us in this position to start with is the definition of insanity. Just ask Einstein.
While I am left leaning currently no liberal wants to protect legal-firearm owners. Every gun-ban they issue doesn’t do anything to stop criminals from obtaining illegal firearms.