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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 312 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 85 points 3 weeks ago
[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Flexing is not good for the containment

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[–] notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world 212 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

A headline without calling it an "Artificial Sun"?!

[–] Toribor@corndog.social 76 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The power of the sun in the palm of my hand.

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[–] cynar@lemmy.world 66 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

The amusing thing is that the sun is actually quite a shit fusion reactor. It's power per unit volume is tiny. It just makes it up in sheer volume. A solar level fusion reactor would be almost completely useless to us. Instead we need to go far beyond the sun's output to just be viable.

It's like describing one of the mega mining dumper trucks as an "artificial mule".

[–] notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I think this energy density math really depends on whether only the core or the whole surface area is taken into consideration.

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[–] yogurt@lemm.ee 25 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

They say "artificial sun" because that's what it is though, there's no fusion reactions here they're just microwaving hydrogen to millions of degrees to study the kind of thing that would happen IF somebody runs a fusion reactor for 22 minutes.

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[–] Placebonickname@lemmy.world 150 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Meanwhile in America we’re trying to make macdonalds cheaper by bundling an extra sandwich to go along with a value meal…

[–] crank0271@lemmy.world 133 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Brickhead92@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

And it only takes 22 seconds to consume.

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[–] akakevbot@sh.itjust.works 138 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] RunningInRVA@lemmy.world 67 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

The power of the sun in the palm of my hand

[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

la puissance du soleil dans la paume de ma main

Honhonhon

[Takes a drag on a sexy cigarette]

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[–] tomkatt@lemmy.world 110 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

This is freaking awesome. Only a few years ago it was exciting to see a fusion reaction last a fraction of a second.

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[–] LostWon@lemmy.ca 110 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

Maybe if it runs longer, we all get to jump to a better timeline. 😅

[–] PumpkinEscobar@lemmy.world 77 points 3 weeks ago

Or the world blows up and it’s all over. I guess what I’m saying is, no downside, fire it up and let’s see what happens.

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[–] match@pawb.social 107 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

1,337 seconds? That... that number used to mean something, but now i can't recall what...

[–] not_so_handsome_jack@sh.itjust.works 42 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

The translation has been lost to the ages

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[–] x00z@lemmy.world 84 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Why don't we use "shatters world record" like the pro-China articles where they did this for 16 minutes?

I know why.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 69 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I know!

Because the articles were written by different people and published in different magazines ya goober.

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[–] FanBlade@lemmynsfw.com 49 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Because that one was over double the length of the record before it and this one is closer to a 35% increase.

[–] Rubanski@lemm.ee 38 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

So it's probably just a "slams"

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[–] HowAbt2morrow@futurology.today 80 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Oh shit. Things are heating up in the fusion race.

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 92 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

IIRC it was expected because previous record from China was essentially a trial for this one. It all happens under ITER project so it’s not that much of a race.

[–] ZJBlank@lemmy.world 43 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Good shit. I’d rather this be a global cooperative effort rather than a jingoistic dick-waving contest.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 58 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Mr. Fusion now 1 step closer... 10 years late, but still!

[–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Only ten more years, and we'll have it!

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[–] DataDisrupter@feddit.nl 58 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I didn't see any mention of the output in the article. 22MW injected, but does anyone know if the reaction was actually generating a positive output?

[–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 78 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

No magnetic confinement fusion reactor in existence has ever generated a positive output. The current record belongs to JET, with a Q factor of 0.67. This record was set in 1997.

The biggest reason we haven't had a record break for a long time is money. The most favourable reaction for fusion is generally a D-T (Deuterium-Tritium) reaction. However, Tritium is incredibly expensive. So, most reactors run the much cheaper D-D reaction, which generates lower output. This is okay because current research reactors are mostly doing research on specific components of an eventual commercial reactor, and are not aiming for highest possible power output.

The main purpose of WEST is to do research on diverter components for ITER. ITER itself is expected to reach Q ≥ 10, but won't have any energy harvesting components. The goal is to add that to its successor, DEMO.

Inertial confinement fusion (using lasers) has produced higher records, but they generally exclude the energy used to produce the laser from the calculation. NIF has generated 3.15MJ of fusion output by delivering 2.05MJ of energy to it with a laser, nominally a Q = 1.54. however, creating the laser that delivered the power took about 300MJ.

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[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 58 points 3 weeks ago

Sounds like the goal of the test wasn’t to vet ignition power in relation to output. These people are testing the durability of system designs that can maintain a reaction after ignition.

If this was a car, they wouldn’t be testing the fuel efficiency, they’d be testing how long they could drive before the wheels fell off.

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[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 52 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Has DOGE cut funding to ITER yet?

[–] norwegern@lemmy.wtf 37 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They sacked everybody. Now they are trying to get them back.

/s

[–] Brickhead92@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

But only the white middle aged men with regular male names and above average height.

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[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 42 points 3 weeks ago

I hope it smoked a cigarette once it finished.

[–] Fleur_@hilariouschaos.com 28 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Just one more giga joule guys ...

Pro fusion research btw just a chronic shitposter

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[–] CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.cafe 24 points 3 weeks ago (31 children)

Well, I'm still skeptical, but I have far more trust in France's reporting than Chinese claims.

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