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What the fuck timeline are we in right now (ponder.cat)

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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 255 points 4 weeks ago (10 children)

This just shows how sports minded all this bullshit is. If Pence was still Trumps VP, he'd currently be tweeting "Oh, all praise our leader!"

But because he had a falling out, he find himself saying things that will fall on the right side of history. Not because he's a genuinely good person, but because the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Didn't hear Pence speaking out in 2019 when Trump was president, and was trying to extort Zelenskyy into blackmailing Hunter Biden. Pence didn't say a word.

So he can shut the fuck up. He's not wrong in what he's saying, but HE can shut the fuck up.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 68 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Hearing Pence done with all the bullshit on the night of January 6th and shutting down people who were still trying to throw the election to Trump was the one and only time in his life when I had some respect for him. This is another, maybe the second time.

I think Pence is a genuinely good person who got hamstrung, maybe beyond redemption, by a Christian upbringing. He really wants to do what's right. At least that is my read on him. He's just all twisted up to where he thinks "doing what's right" is all these horrifying things. But I don't think he's faking. I think, unlike almost everyone he hangs out with, he hasn't figured out it's a con, and is very sincere when he says he's doing the best thing for his country and what God wants him to do.

[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 57 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Nobody gets to the position of Trump's VP with clean hands. It's just that Trump supported Pence being hanged. So like so many other conservatives, once it effects them then it's time to do something about it.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 32 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Nobody gets to the position of Trump’s VP with clean hands.

If I was making it sound like I thought he had clean hands, that wasn't the intent. I do not.

It’s just that Trump supported Pence being hanged.

Absolutely. I'm sure that was what woke him up. But now that he's realized what Trump is and that it can impact him personally (which he is surely not the only one, a lot of these people professing absolute admiration for Dear Leader are a lot smarter than Pence about it), what does it gain him to make this tweet? Why are other people in similar positions to Pence not doing the same?

[–] crank0271@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago

woke

Aw man, the virus got him, too.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I think he had an existenrial crisis after nearly getting lynched by the mob of the person whom he serves, and realized he was in a cult.

Not a good person, but a smart person, smart enough to realize the cult has gone too far.

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[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

He is not a genuinely good person. He wants a Christian Taliban theocracy, full of hate and evil.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 6 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah, maybe I should have phrased it as "had the potential to be a good person." Something like that. Even if my farfetched remote psychoanalysis is correct, I don't think purportedly-good intentions are an excuse.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 40 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

But because he had a falling out

That's a very understated way of saying Trump tried to kill him.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

Has a habit of spoiling friendships and marring productive working relationships that, the old tried-to-have-you-killed thing.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

"sports minded". That's a new way to call traitors cowards. I don't think it's harsh enough, personally.

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 9 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I momentarily forgot about Vance when I read this and was like "holy fuck!" But of course Pence is not Trump's VP now. For some reason... Oh yeah: Trump almost literally got him hanged on the Capitol lawn by blaming him for not helping him with his illegal coup! Lucky for him, no one around him has the spine to stand up for what's right this time around. Hope our country survives it...

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 weeks ago

If Pence was still Trumps VP

I mean, in that timeline, Jan 6 never happened and his fuhrer's mob didn't try to hang him.

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 4 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Surprisingly, people from Shapiro to Fox News seem to be pretty annoyed by Trump making that claim.

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[–] HornedMeatBeast@lemmy.world 52 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Ukraine started the war by not giving in to Russia, duh.

[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 26 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It takes two to rape.

[–] jdf038@mander.xyz 14 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Russia was rich and famous after all.

Ukraine was wearing revealing clothing.

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 12 points 4 weeks ago

I've honestly heard that argument before. People who are totally not imperialists with red paint talk all about sphere of influences, dividing countries according to that and how Ukraine shouldn't have done this and that if it didn't want Russia to conquer their land.

[–] NIB@lemmy.world 42 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Mike Pence might be a religious zealot who wants to ban abortions, etc but he is still an american patriot. There is no way you can be pro US and supporting what Trump is doing. Trump is destroying alliances, good will and all the soft power the US had accumulated in over 100 years.

Soft power was the real american super power. China might have had industrial might, might have gotten equivalent military strength eventually but China didnt have much soft power. Thats why China launched the Belt and Road initiative, 10 years ago. This is a multi-trillion dollar program, that invests on infrastructure to make it easier for China to trade with the rest of the world(and to cultivate positive attitudes towards China).

With the destruction of american soft power, Trump opened a huge door for China. There is a non zero chance of Europe pivoting towards China, similarly to how China pivoted towards the US(and away from USSR) in the 1970s. If China can offer a more "reasonable" peace plan for Ukraine, it can get the EU to be more neutral towards China in exchange, maybe even staying out of future Taiwan conflict.

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[–] Amanduh@lemm.ee 41 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

At least he's not being silent about it.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 15 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Pence can get fucked. People of substance are saying this too. Repost their quotes. This dried up piece of crap can mumble in the corner.

[–] AntelopeRoom@lemm.ee 14 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I disagree, if only the left is speaking up, then the right don't help stop him. The right needs to stop him too.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 weeks ago

He'd start licking his boots again if simply given the chance. His character or lack there of is clear. Never trust a snake.

[–] omxxi@feddit.org 13 points 4 weeks ago

The thing is that a critic from his own party is unexpected, that's why is relevant over other critical.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Pence did stop the sedition in 2020 though. I cannot understand why they didn't follow through and execute Donald Trump afterwards though.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 34 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

That guy is still hanging around?

Of course in this instance he's 100% correct, just really goes to show how much of a unscrupulous hack Mike Pence is for hanging his hat on the first administration.

I have no reason to believe that Mike Pence will ever get the hang of "the truth"

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 12 points 4 weeks ago

Hanging is exactly what they tried to do with him.

And he still supported Trump afterwards.

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[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 34 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

Imagine telling someone in 2016 that Pence is one of the reasonable ones.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 34 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

It keeps happening. Nixon was an unprecedented monster, then it was W and the whole Mitch McConnell crew, and then Ted Cruz and MTG lowered the bar further, and now we're going lower than that.

I still remember when Mitt Romney was one of the massivest of the pieces of shit. Mitt Romney! Now he's not even welcome in the building, because of his reasonableness.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Regan was also a new low. Seems every GOP president we get is a new low.

[–] RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

It's the boiling frog overton window methodology to convert from a democracy to a theocratic oligarchy...

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[–] ShowMePotatoSalad@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

Or that Dick Cheney said he would vote for a democrat. You'd think that would help influence a few more people. The guys who were considered the hard right just 10-15 years prior are now saying "nah, fuck that guy. He's a lunatic".

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 26 points 4 weeks ago

The dumbest possible timeline where I am forced to agree with a religious zealot because the alternative is even worse.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 23 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Turns out the fly was actually a brain slug. It's now in control of him and handling this situation.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

Omg what a reference lol

[–] VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Donnie incited a lynch mob against him and awoke Captain Electroshock

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

This is fucking weird

[–] VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

It's the world we live in now, it's all gonna be weird from here on out. Hopefully Mike's conversion therapy chops are going to be focused on Donnie's beliefs for a little while, and not gay people existing.

[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 16 points 4 weeks ago

Can't believe I'd ever say Mike Pence said something based, but here we are.

[–] NotLemming@lemm.ee 14 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

My prediction is that this guy has a terminal illness and is scrambling to do some good deeds before the end.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Or maybe just want revenge for his boss telling a mob to lynch him.

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[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 12 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Imaging if the GOP just impeached Trump the first dumb thing he did and let Pence be president. He would have won a second term easily and people would think politics is boring again, and go back to never paying attention to all the stupid shit they get away with

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 11 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

My dude is getting Night of Long Knivesed for sure

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 12 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

Nah, he's getting Trotsky'd. He's not in the building anymore. Elon Musk is the one who's up for a long-knife night.

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[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 weeks ago

He's won't simply because he's not relevant anymore. If he ever poses an actual threat then maybe.

[–] ehpolitical@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Someone's gonna get sent to his room without supper.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago

The one where the rules are made up and the points don’t matter.

[–] 8000gnat@reddthat.com 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

momma never said there'd be law school daze like this

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm sure the orange-bad has this guy blocked since Jan 6. Pence is just saying it to get positive attention, not because he thinks orange-bad will read it.

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