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[โ€“] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 45 points 2 days ago

Ground breaking AI๐Ÿคก

[โ€“] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Defines "ages". Blue leds came out of Japan somewhat recently and that's pretty huge

[โ€“] TheBloodFarts@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago

Veritasium has an awesome video about the Japanese scientist that discovered blue LEDs, guy basically did it single handedly despite pushback from his boss. Absolutely insane scientific achievement

[โ€“] pyre@lemmy.world 46 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (28 children)

dude had already swallowed the tech bs, thinks ai is the furthest advancement of technology when it can't compete with ancient tech. literally can't do what a calculator can do reliably. or a timer. or a calendar.

[โ€“] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 days ago

Please let's try to keep generative AI from claiming the entire word "AI".
Current generative AI is good at and built for mimicking patterns with boundary conditions.
This means it does a decent job of imitating authoritative knowledge, but it's just mimicking it.
People are hyped for it because it looks knowledgeable, it's relatively simple to make, and a lot of what we do is text based so it's easy to apply.

There are a lot of other types of AI, the majority even, that work significantly better, take a small fraction of the computing power and provide helpful and meaningful results. They just don't look like anything other than complex math, which is all any of them are in the end.

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[โ€“] superkret@feddit.org 26 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Their AI needs longer to develop cause it has to be folded a million times.

[โ€“] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago

They have impure silicon there so their software dev practices had to become way more advanced to compensate

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[โ€“] Panamalt@sh.itjust.works 44 points 3 days ago

Japan still generally places more emphasis on quality over shitting out shiny new, overpriced garbage as fast as possible

[โ€“] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 191 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Japan has been living in the year 2000 since 1980.

[โ€“] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 72 points 4 days ago (16 children)

The last good year. Truly they are the most intellectually advanced society.

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[โ€“] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 51 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because AI software isn't ground breaking and is actually useless

[โ€“] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I had some use of it. It is really good at summing and organizing a bunch of text.

[โ€“] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Yes AI has good uses, it made my job faster, I can now focus on more important things because I'm not wasting time with bullshit that AI can do in a seccond.

But you can't say that on Lemmy, here it's all useless, a scam and gave my dog AIDS.

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[โ€“] diverging@lemm.ee 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Doc: "No wonder this circuit failed; it says 'Made in Japan'."
Marty: "What do you mean, Doc? All the best stuff is made in Japan."

[โ€“] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What was the joke supposed to be here, that they had rapidly industrialised.

[โ€“] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think they had a poor reputation and then rapidly improved which led to their current reputation

[โ€“] superkret@feddit.org 9 points 3 days ago (3 children)

They started out like China, making cheaper copies of Western tech. Then they started to innovate.

China is now on exactly the same path, and it's well into the phase where they are innovating, but most people still refuse to acknowledge that.

[โ€“] shawn1122@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Western tech had a massive head start.

When a country's tech manufacturing is being developed it's going to start by making what already exists because.. it has to start somewhere.

It didn't take long for Japanese cars to supersede American cars. China is now doing the same to both American and Japanese cars. Nissan nearly went out of business and is still in trouble. Tesla's situation isn't helped by how dislikable its founder is so its value is plumetting.

Most countries don't know how to deal with the advent Chinese EVs so they're just slapping massive tariffs on them and hoping they figure something out in the meantime.

It isn't just going to stop at Japan and China though. Japan was subsidized by the US post WW2 and China built its manufacturing from the ground up. There are many other countries on that path which will lead to significant global competition. The West is going to have to keep its head up if it wants to remain competitive by the end of the century.

The leading Western nation responding to increased global competition with reactionary protectionism is a bad start. It's squandering all of the soft power the US has cultivated post WW2 leaving a power vacuum for China and other influential nations on the ascension to capitalize on.

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[โ€“] hobovision@lemm.ee 59 points 3 days ago (10 children)

The idea that Japan was ever more technologically advanced than the US is a tough argument to make. Perhaps they had better consumer and transportation technologies, but the US led the world in nearly all other forms of technology (see silicon valley, NASA, US defense technology, etc). It's cool the hate on the US but there's a reason it was the world super power for decades. It's too bad it's turning into an anti-science christo-facist kelptocracy.

[โ€“] shikitohno@lemm.ee 24 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I think it's mostly that they did way better than the US in terms of making many consumer technology products widely available at a higher quality and better cost than the US did. Like, Japanese brands were huge for televisions, audio equipment and similar goods. I can think of several that were the go to brands for TVs when I was growing up, but I can't think of a single US-based manufacturer, even a crappy one.

They also did way better in terms of building out internet access and public transport than the US has done.

It might only be within a few limited sectors, but when those sectors account for the vast majority of peoples' interactions with technology, it's going to have a far greater impact on their perceptions of relative advancement.

Also, in the pre-internet days, it probably helped that non-Japanese people largely didn't see all the ways that Japan can be an extremely conservative country, like their reliance on fax machines long after pretty much every other country with the means to do so had almost entirely left them behind as obsolete.

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[โ€“] masterspace@lemmy.ca 144 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

The US isn't innovating jack shit.

The US just created a massively polarized and unequal society so that when a country creates a new brilliant researcher or innovation, an American company can buy them out.

Basically, the insane poverty and lack of government services that the average American experiences gives them enough cash to buy up innovative people, companies, and competitors.

[โ€“] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 4 days ago

Also the post-WW2 world order heavily favours their economy.

Their allies buy their debt, and their weapons. They give access to theiir markets to US companies, and support US wars around the world. They invest in the US economy in an unbalanced way that favours the US economy.

And all of this was in exchange for US security.

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[โ€“] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 85 points 4 days ago (31 children)

Economics Explained has an interesting video on the topic. After WWII, Japan became the first country in Asia to undergo an industrial revolution and soon became the second largest economy after the US and was by many accounts set to match or even overtake the US. They then suffered an economic collapse due to unchecked growth and speculative markets and decided to never again speculate on the future and just stick to tried and true methods.

Since the 1990s, Japan's economy has barely changed while other nations have seen huge growth. You'd assume that would mean Japan is now far behind, but they aren't. They seem to have mastered keeping everything the same for decades without the normal decline that comes with it.

[โ€“] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 30 points 3 days ago

And that, actually, is a great thing. You don't want explosive growth, you want stability. This is a lesson the US is learning right now

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[โ€“] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 95 points 4 days ago (6 children)

If AI is the chief innovation in the US, then the US is massively fucked.

I'd much rather have a fancy shinkansen.

[โ€“] Waffle@infosec.pub 41 points 4 days ago (2 children)

That's a high speed train for the non-weebs

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I don't exactly keep up with the technological innovations of every country, but I get the feeling it isn't so much that Japan hasn't innovated in decades, so much as they haven't done anything he (it's 4chan, let's be frank, it's a he) personally finds interesting or that is publicized in the medium he gets his news from.

[โ€“] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 55 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Same thing that happens everywhere. Low cost innovation gets expensive as companies grow and salaries rise, profit seekers move to exploit cheaper labor elsewhere.

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[โ€“] DesolateMood@lemm.ee 56 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They have no groundbreaking AI software

Neither does the US

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[โ€“] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 48 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Sadly Japan may be a culture in decline.
Their culture is basically work yourself to the bone even more than the US. Young people study their ass off and get a job working long hours while still living at home because they still can't afford their own place. And you have stuff like if the subway is a minute late they hand out apology slips to workers so they don't get in trouble with their bosses for being 30 seconds late. Meanwhile there is a very strong 'defer to elder authority' note in their culture. And in many industries people are expected to work a 10-hour day and then go drinking with the bus until 2:00 a.m. only to be back at work the next day at 8:00 a.m.
The end result is young people have neither the time nor the money to have kids. So they don't.

Their population is literally aging and shrinking. They are facing a very serious problem in wondering who is going to take care of their elderly. Their birth to death ratio is 0.44, meaning that for every baby born in a year more than two people die. In a nation of about 125 million, the population is shrinking by just under a million every year. That's not good.

And while the Japanese people are highly educated and very capable, the 'defer to authority' culture prevents the sort of entrepreneurship you see in the US. An example of this, Japanese companies have a stamp called the hanko, when a paper memo is circulated around the office each employee stamps it with their personal hanko stamp to signify that they have read it. Many Japanese companies stayed in person during COVID simply because there was no digital equivalent to the hanko and managers refused to give it up.

If you wants an example, look at Toyota Motors. It's been obvious to everyone with eyes that electric vehicles are the future, and it has been obvious for probably 8 or 10 years. Every major automaker is investing in EV technology. Except Toyota, which up until recently was still betting the farm on hybrids and hydrogen. But that's because the good Mr Toyoda didn't like EVs, and unlike in an American company no one would dare challenge him on that.

It is really too bad. Japan is a wonderful place with an amazing culture and rich history. But if they are going to survive they need to make very serious changes to their society and they need to do it soon. That is going to involve dumping most of what currently qualifies as Japanese business culture, an instituting some real work-life balance laws with teeth. I don't know if they're going to do it.

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