We are losing the class war.
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Either greed or hate, depends on the thing that is shit.
Because you are staring at the pain rectangle and being bombarded with every bad thing that is happening in the entire planet nonstop.
Your ape brain was not meant for this. Imagine if you lived in the 1300s -- Plague, famines, wars, pogroms. They had it all. But any one human being would only ever hear about whatever bad things were happening near to them.
That's what I keep telling kids, we're not evolved to live this way. It doesn't feel right because your a round peg in a square building. We're evolved for tribe life, telling stories around the fire, cooking food for each other, helping out our small communities, together. Singing and dancing and story telling, caring for our soil and water and animals. Yes we should go to the stars, and test the boundaries of reality, but we won't get there and feel like we really did something worth doing without being who we truly are, free to love, free to wonder, free to explore, free to be alive, free to be just happy. It isn't worth it if we aren't happy. We need to find out happy place again if we're going to survive the next few centuries.
Greed and self interest.
I am of the personal opinion that life is a meat grinder, and we're the meat. A small percentage of people are born or become lucky enough to turn the crank or load the grinder, but most of us will suffer, and that's just the way it is because it has always been this way, for all of human history, and will presumably continue to be so. There is no why. There just is.
Because humans.
"As a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery." - Agent Smith, The Matrix (1999)
I went back in time and farted on a puppy. Sorry. You really should have seen the original timeline. We had blimps, universal healthcare, and six seasons of Firefly
Did you have vests though?
Humanity went wrong when we abandoned vests.
You see what you want to see.
Things aren’t great but not “everything is shit.”
This is a serious get off the Internet moment. This place and the predecessor are absolute doom and gloom 24/7, but I took my kids to the park earlier and we threw rocks in the stream and hung out under a bridge, and it was a nice day, and we had fun. I join in my community cleanups, I plant trees, I take part in things, and I love my town. Yeah, on a global scale, it ain't pretty, but I do what I can to make my little bubble a pleasant place to be.
Exactly!
I went out to some stores and got him driving on an interstate for the first time as a student driver today. It is gorgeous out and we just enjoyed each others company for a few hours.
Not trolling: social media. It's a mind virus used by both sides to ignite hate and culture wars. It uses 9 second video clips to project the actions of the few onto the many, making you hate entire groups of people without understanding basic statistics. The "feel it in your gut" crowd chose those words for very specific reasons.
Social media is a curse.
Everyone knows that racism and hate was invented in 2006 by Mark Zuckerberg.
Social Media isn’t innately harmful. But it’s been abused by the powerful to control the masses. The same as religion, print, radio, and television before it
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How do you reconcile that with how social media platforms like Lemmy allow people to collaborate across groups also? Or to educate?
Like, I do agree that social media plays a hugely pivotal role. But that's because humans are social creatures with pliable perspectives and are reactive to the views of those we call our peers.
That means special interest groups can tell us what our views should be and sway millions, but it also means that small towns have always been extremely insular and would reject 'out-group' people, with or without social media. The 'liberal redneck' can only exist now because they can have contact with diverse and nuanced people outside of their local communities through online platforms.
I think humans have stunted relationships with their local communities in favour of fragile online ones, but I believe bad actors are leveraging the power of humanity's propensity for community groupthink. Social media expands the size of our 'tribes', but it's engagement algorythms that are enforcing echo chambers, to keep us on platforms in profitable ways. That is a property of for profit Capitalism, more than of remote peer-to-peer interaction.
I think your last paragraph hit the nail on the head. As with any drug, moderation is key. Social media is a dopamine drug 100%, and just like some drugs, people cut it with shit that's bad. It's an odd analogy, but I think folks (myself included from time to time), spend way too much time here, and if gets in your head. But winter is cold and windy and wet and inside just seems to keep leading back here.
I often argue that Reddit and Lemmy are not the same type of social media that Facebook and the like are, but they're just as susceptible to influence. Individuals need to think more about themselves and their micro existence, before diving into global issues so much. At least, that's how I try to avoid the crippling depression that comes from post after post written by chicken little.
Yep. Extremist groups use it to spread misinformation and recruit people. It's scary, and everyone in this thread will have seen some at some point.
We had a huge population of genuinely evil people who were locked away in the rural south so they could only abuse black people around them.
Then social media gave these people a voice and politicians realized they could pander to the trash with funding from the billionaires and that's enough to keep them in power indefinitely.
Unchecked capitalism.
~~Unchecked~~ capitalism.
Yes. The US used to work to prevent and break up monopolies. This allowed some of the optimistic promises of capitalism to work. There was competition that worked to bring prices down and quality up.
In the past few decades we've witnessed dozens of competing businesses merged to form conglomerates with little more than speed bumps from government to slow them down, presumably to line the pockets of the would be overseers.
We lost the competition that drove innovation. There's little need to do anything to gain market share when there's no real competition. Instead these mega corporations focus on efficiency to bring costs down, because they're answering to shareholders now instead of consumers.
The result is supply chains have become fragile. One supply chain disruption results in a total shut down, because redundancies have been eliminated. When you have competition, you must have redundancies to ensure you can remain competitive. No need for that when you have no competitors.
and lets be clear that the us only did this for a while because the unionists and socialists were damn about to do a revolution.
then the capitalist world stopped caring about worker well being after the soviet union went kaput, and started slowly dismantling it.
If something bad came from the Soviet dissolution (besides the extreme decline of living standards in many of those countries) is that it completely killed any left-wing ideals in the west. Unions, welfare and common good were seen as "defeated" ideas, because capitalism had won. People still haven't recovered from the "capitalism won" mentality, so anything that comes even close to left wing is immediately shut down
People aren't being held to account for doing or making shitty things
Not a troll post.
Fair enough. I'll take your question seriously.
Without any context, it sounds as if everything that you're perceiving right now is shit. Maybe your relationships are strained and you feel lonely or guilty. Maybe the news hits you harder every day. Maybe money is tight. Maybe you've suffered a great loss. Maybe nothing has happened at all and you're sitting there, contemplating whether life is worth it. I don't know your situation.
And whatever it is, it's valid. Heck, I sometimes feel like life is shit.
Now, I'm not here to say we should look at reality with rose-colored glasses or to look at reality with naive optimism. No. I'm here to say that we have a choice. We can choose what to focus on and how to respond to reality.
Is it really true that "everything is shit"? Is the fact that your body has managed, against all odds, to sustain your life shit? Is the fact that humans can grow and change shit? Is the fact that we can be better as people shit?
Still, shit happens. And we have to be ready to accept that. Regardless of how much shit there is, we can always choose how to respond to it.
For one, we play a massive role in our interpretation of shit. There's solid science behind this. You could look at theories of cognition such as the Theory of Constructed Emotion, Relational Frame Theory, or even the shallow but effective Cognitive Behavioral Therapy frameworks. All of those theories think it's crucial to notice the lens that you and I are looking at the world through. Not only should we notice the lens, but sometimes we should clean it or direct it elsewhere. Otherwise we spend our whole lives stooped over a pile of crap, when we could stand, look around, and notice the world around us from a different perspective.
But that's not the only thing that matters. We don't just want to see the world differently. We also want to live valued lives. Once again, this is possible regardless of how much shit there is. How so? Well, what kind of person do you want to be? A kind person? A person that is reflexive and open minded? A person that notices and appreciates beauty when it appears? A person who is proactive about their future and that of others? A person who is compassionate towards others? A person that's curious about the world and how to improve it?
It's not easy, being kind, appreciative, and proactive when you're bogged down by shit. But you're not alone. There's brilliant and insightful people who have dedicated their lives to finding out how to do it. If you're interested, I'm happy to talk about empirical ways of doing it. For now, it's more important to ask what the alternative is. Is a life spent stooping over shit a good life?
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You might have depression
More like suffering from capitalism and the global decline into authoritarianism.
No medicine can fix oppression.
Both can be true.
F'course, pills won't fix society, but medics can't really fix the social systems. Best they've got is pills that make you not want to die.
That's possible. Or you could be paying a lot of attention to world news.
You are focusing on negative news. Stop doing that. There are also plenty of good things as well but they rarely get talked about. For example, we now produce more new solar power production in a day than we did in a year a couple of decades ago. Production is increasing. The average person in the UK (where I live so I would focus on that a bit more) produces less than half the CO² than they did in 2000, which is its self a bit less than was produced decades before. We actually produce less than the global average now.
There is an increasing push on heat pumps now, its likely still in its early phases. I got one a bit over a year ago and its great. So much misinformation about them online though. Which I wouldn't be surprised if its pushed by the gas industry.
I do. I was offering an explanation for why someone else might be feeling depressed.
Personally I think the aim should be to focus on neither negative nor positive news, but to try to get the clearest, broadest understanding of the true state of things, which means trying to focus on news that has systemic relevance (I think your examples do).
Unfortunately I do think it's pretty reasonable to be .. maybe not pessimistic, but at least fairly worried about the state of the world. Some things are definitely changing for the better, but some things are really fucked, and looking like they could get a lot worse, really quickly (looking at you in particular, US politics). My personal reason for optimism is that a) it could mean the end of US capitalist hegemony, and b) it could open the way for a massive progressive backlash. But who knows? We'll fund out soon, I guess.
Because too many people wouldn’t vote for anything less than a perfect candidate.
And too many people wouldn’t vote for anything more than a rapist conman.
Hey hey hey, that's autocratic megalomaniac rapist conman, can't leave out his best stuff.
The short answer is our legal system was not designed to withstand the stress the ultra rich can put on it as a result a lot of laws were over turned.
Im on mobile so it's hard to type and explain in more depth.
And that's only one facet.
But there are good things in the world too. And there are people fighting for what's right. It's easy to slip into despair but as mr rogers use to say
When I was a boy and I would see scary things in the news, my mother would say to me, 'Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping
We forgot we could regulate capitalism like we did 100 years go. Let's make taxes great again. Then take that money and pour it into education. If the states really want to control that, fine, that's a compromise that can probably still end up working out in the end.
This, exactly.
Boomers grew up with a 91% top-tier tax rate.
Nobody ever paid that rate; anyone who was close to that line found some tax deductible way of spending their excess. That "tax deductible way of spending" was, ultimately, someone else's paycheck.
Without that punitively-high top tier, there is no need for them to actually spend their excess income. They invest it, creating a debt owed back to them.
We tolerate this horseshit out of fear that "they'll go away, and take the jobs with them". Which won't happen: When we restore our 91% top-tier tax rate, the rest of the world will follow.
This dude explains(in a couple minutes) why boomers are how they are and why they are breaking down society
People are often rewarded with power or money for doing/saying shitty things.
If you are rewarded for something, you are likely to continue the pattern.
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Because of the collapse of the USSR. It was the only thing scaring capitalists into giving something to the people.
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Money and greed.
But you can help. Grab a grocery bag, go out side and pick up some trash. Talk to your neighbors. Go put change in parking meters that are about to expire. Go through a parking lot and put shopping parts in the corral. Get a bag of frozen peas and feed some ducks (not bread). Get some cheap paper plates and a marker or two from a dollar store, make happy faces and staple them up on telephone poles.
The more we act hyper-locally, the better we can make it. Maybe it will inspire othdrs to do the same. But even if they don't, you're still making the world a better place.
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Because the economic conditions of the modern world allow for tyranny and the people haven’t figured out that we need to unite and overthrow the tyrants to build a better society.
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