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[-] penquin@lemm.ee 329 points 1 year ago

That's our fucking tax money, that's what's killing me. We are indirectly funding the killing of all of these innocent people. I hate life.

[-] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 125 points 1 year ago

It's not indirect. Every dollar the US sends to Israel directly goes to killing Palestinians.

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[-] Maeve@kbin.social 39 points 1 year ago

Tbf we’ve done it directly, too.

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[-] Rusticus@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

We could have healthcare. Or free college. We are all complicit in this, like it or not.

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[-] Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 212 points 1 year ago

And people wonder why they're calling what Israel is doing a genocide...

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[-] FoundTheVegan@kbin.social 186 points 1 year ago

Genocide.

There is no excuse for this. Don't you dare try and find one.

[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social 44 points 1 year ago

Narrator: They did.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 35 points 1 year ago

They did try. It was that there might be terrorist infrastructure there. They know there's civilians there, but there might be infrastructure. They're still looking into it, but they dropped that bomb, anyway.

I'm only barely paraphrasing.

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[-] DeathWearsANecktie@lemm.ee 174 points 1 year ago

I think Israel is losing the information war on this recent crisis. They're trying to defend the indefensible. There's no way to spin "we dropped a bomb on a refugee camp" into something acceptable. And people are seeing the bullshit for what it is.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

They really screwed the pooch on this one from a messaging stance. Stepping back from the emotions and the war crimes and just looking at their propaganda, it's just being handled sloppily. Propaganda has always been Israel's superpower, and they're doing a terrible job of it.

You don't defend the bombing of a refugee camp by saying "There may have been tunnels or infrastructure."

At this point you just lie and say you know there were military objectives. Or pull a play from the US and count the bodies and claim that any body of a "military-age male" was a combatant.

Admitting on international television that you knowingly and intentionally bombed a bunch of civilians you absolutely knew you were killing just in case there might be bad guys among them is a bad look.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 34 points 1 year ago

Propaganda has always been Israel’s superpower, and they’re doing a terrible job of it.

They're using the exact same kind of messaging they're using internally to their own right-wing and scared centre, "tough guys making hard decisions to keep you safe" kind of stuff. To people who went on school trips to Auschwitz with armed Israeli security -- not because visiting Poland wouldn't be safe, but out of a mixture of security theatre and propaganda. It just doesn't work if you aren't part of that particular information bubble. They seem to have forgotten that it doesn't even work on the Israeli left wing so why should it work on random people from elsewhere.

Also stunts like the yellow stars in the security council. Come the fuck on crocodile-teared self-victimisation can't possibly be more blatant, and it's fucking disgusting how they trivialise the Holocaust with that shit.

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[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 171 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Seems like the sort of thing that, in addition to being morally abhorrent, would drive more Palestinians to become terrorists.

[-] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 63 points 1 year ago

It truly is the worst long term "solution". You're not gonna make friends by bombing them, I thought that much would have been obvious.

[-] ohlaph@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

I don't think they want friends.

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[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 166 points 1 year ago

Frankly I don't know which words are powerful enough to describe this and condemn it. I don't think the right words exist to explain how bad it is.

This logic is just... If it's justified to blow up a refugee camp to kill a senior leader of Hamas, then by that same logic, Hamas would be justified in blowing up Israel's capitol buildings to kill Netanyahu.

Fucking hell, not only that, but this logic defends the Hamas attack on Israel too. There could have been IDF members there or government officials.

I don't see how anybody condemning Hamas' terrorist attack could not condemn this. It's the same picture.

[-] pirrrrrrrr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 1 year ago

The Hamas attack was terrible. The IDF response has been far, far worse.

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[-] UnspecificGravity@discuss.tchncs.de 149 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean yeah, that's where the Palestinians are, who did they think was the target of a military attack on a city?

It's getting hard for people to pretend that this isn't a genocide when the people doing it aren't even bothering to pretend it isn't.

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[-] dlpkl@lemmy.world 134 points 1 year ago

It's textbook genocide. They've seen they can get away with anything under the guise of war, so why not just solve all their issues and make sure no one's alive to return to their homes?

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[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social 132 points 1 year ago

From the article:

“But you know that there are a lot of refugees, a lot of innocent civilians—men, women, and children—in that refugee camp as well, right?” Blitzer asked again.
“This is the tragedy of war, Wolf. We as you know, we’ve been saying for days, move south. Civilians who are not involved with Hamas, please move south.”

Holy shit, Wolf is getting trolled on just as hard as us, but on live TV... I hate the future.

[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 62 points 1 year ago

And then they throw a bomb in the south.

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[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 123 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"There could be infrastructure there, there could be tunnels there. We’re still looking into it.”

So... you bombed this refugee area, didn't give a fuck... you got the target you wanted along with a bunch of civilians. Now, after the fact, you are searching for more justifications than you had before the attack was sanctioned.

What the fuck. They may as well just say "tell us what you need to hear for this to be okay, and we'll say it".

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[-] erranto@lemmy.world 94 points 1 year ago

70 year of atrocities committed in Palestine with the support of western powers and the indifference of western media

2023 : IDF commits yet another round of genocidal atrocities in Palestine

western media: Surprised Pikatchu face 🤯

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[-] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 90 points 1 year ago

Blitzer pressed Hecht on the logic involved in Israel’s decision to target the refugee camp.

“This is the tragedy of war, Wolf. We as you know, we’ve been saying for days, move south. Civilians who are not involved with Hamas, please move south.”

They have been bombing the southern humanitarian corridor too. So I am not sure what he is saying.

Also, the thing about battlefields is that eventually the north becomes the south. At least if you are winning.

[-] Wrench@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago

They're saying that they consider all Palestinians to be terrorists. It's that simple.

Go south if you're not a terrorist, bombed because there may be terrorists in the mix.

Don't go south, but stay in a refuge camp. Bombed, because there may be terrorists in the mix.

They're all terrorists or terrorist sympathizers as far as IDF is concerned.

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[-] daitya@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

BBC Verify has analysed the Israeli strike locations and found that they are indeed striking 'safety zones' where IDF instructed Gazaans to take shelter. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67264703

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[-] Antitoxic9087@slrpnk.net 85 points 1 year ago

Now they will start saying that beneath every hospital and refugee camp in Gaza lies a Hamas headquarter.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

Looking forward to the 3D rendering "evidence".

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[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago

We’re doing everything we can, you know, other than not dropping bombs directly on refugees

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[-] loki_d20@lemmy.world 71 points 1 year ago

Just to note, they've bombed people in cars fleeing Gaza as directed by them as well. There really is no safe way to be in or attempt to leave.

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[-] oxjox@lemmy.ml 68 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Who comes up with these headlines?? Certainly not someone who based it off the video used to support their claim.

This bullshit dilutes real news stories. Headline should read; "IDF bombs refugee camp in attempt to kill Hamas terrorist, knowing it was full of civilians." That's the story and it's fucked alone as it is. Why sensationalize this and make up shit that is objectively untrue??

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 66 points 1 year ago

This is how we know they didn't hit that hospital car park the other week.

They're not ashamed of what they do. They just say they were "targeting a Hamas commander" and walk away.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago

Well israel actually did tweet that they bombed that hospital and "targeted Hamas" but promptly deleted the tweet. Nobody seems to question that anymore.

israel's propaganda machine has gone in overdrive since the last week, every comment section on the internet is getting flooded with Zionist bots even smaller ones.

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[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 59 points 1 year ago

It's just sad, absolutely sad that Israel is using these excuses to use weapons of war against thousands of impoverished, innocent civilians, the large majority having nothing to do with the tragedy that occurred in early October.

The U.S. needs to take away the toys it gave to Israel.

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[-] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago
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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 49 points 1 year ago

"There could be infrastructure there, there could be tunnels there."

Translation:

We killed them all just in case one of them was an asshole. What if we're actually totally justified in bombing a refugee camp? We certainly don't know for sure that we weren't. Now that all of those innocent children are dead we're checking under their corpses to see if there's anything we can use to make ourselves seem like the good guy here.

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[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago
[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

Israel's excuse is pure political theater. This was a war crime. Regardless of who's coming a war crime - Israel, Hamas, Russia, America, Isis, or anyone else, they should be held to account. But they won't, which is just so fucked up. But much like politicians and cops, you can't effectively punish the ones with all the power.

Israel is punching down so hard it's insane. If they really knew where the Hamas leader was, they could absolutely send in a team or assassin to take him out without the collateral damage. It's not like they don't have spec ops or all the money and military resources they could need to do the job. Hell, the pro-Ukraine saboteurs in Russia have been able to destroy military assets and assassinated at least one oligarch, all without hitting a crowd of civilians no matter how anti-Ukraine said civilians might be. Israel has no goddamn excuse. Neither does Hamas. They're both at fault and the individual persons responsible should be punished.

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[-] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 37 points 1 year ago

Don't worry, in about 23 more strikes they'll then send in ground forces to sort the survivors. /sarcasm

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